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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:47 am
by Paul
1994 Trailer for the Fantastic Four movie (that they decided not to release) is on Reddit's front page today.

For perspective, Jurassic Park was released in 1993.

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:48 am
by TheCatt
Paul wrote:1994 Trailer for the Fantastic Four movie (that they decided not to release) is on Reddit's front page today.

For perspective, Jurassic Park was released in 1993.
In 1983, German producer Bernd Eichinger met with Marvel Comics' Stan Lee at Lee's Los Angeles home to explore obtaining an option for a movie based on the Fantastic Four.[1] The option was not available until three years later, when Eichinger's Neue Constantin film company obtained it for a price the producer called "not enormous" and which has been estimated to be $250,000.[2] Despite some interest from Warner Bros. and Columbia Pictures, budget concerns precluded any production, and with the option scheduled to expire on December 31, 1992, Neue Constantin asked Marvel for an extension. With none forthcoming, Eichinger planned to retain his option by producing a low-budget Fantastic Four film, reasoning, he said in 2005, "They didn't say I had to make a big movie."[2] In September 1992, he teamed with B-movie specialist Roger Corman, who agreed to produce the film on a $1 million budget.[2]
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Eichinger then informed Sassone that the film would not be released. Speculation arose that the film had never been intended for release, but had gone into production solely as a way for Eichinger to retain rights to the characters; Stan Lee said in 2005 that this was indeed the case, insisting, "The movie was never supposed to be shown to anybody," and adding that the cast and crew had been left unaware.[11] Corman and Eichinger dismissed Lee's claims, with the former stating in the same article, "We had a contract to release it, and I had to be bought out of that contract" by Eichinger.[10] Eichinger, also in that article, calls Lee's version of events "definitely not true. It was not our [original] intention to make a B movie, that's for sure, but when the movie was there, we wanted to release it."[10] He said future Marvel film impresario Avi Arad, at this point, in 1993, a Marvel executive,

...calls me up and says, 'Listen, I think what you did was great, it shows your enthusiasm for the movie and the property, and ... I understand that you have invested so-and-much, and Roger has invested so-and-much. Let's do a deal.' Because he really didn't like the idea that a small movie was coming out and maybe ruining the franchise.... So he says to me that he wants to give me back the money that we spent on the movie and that we should not release it.[10]

Arad recalled in 2002 that while on a trip to Puerto Rico in 1993, a fan noticing Arad's Fantastic Four shirt expressed excitement over the film's upcoming premiere, of which Arad said he was unaware. Concerned how the low-budget film might cheapen the brand, he said he purchased the film "for a couple of million dollars in cash" and, not having seen it, ordered all prints destroyed.[12]

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:18 pm
by Malcolm
The hits keep on coming.
The thing is, this film might have done perfectly fine in, say, 1989.
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Here’s what I believe: If the studio had given the script to you and me, dear reader, we could have punched this up immeasurably within one week. And I don’t write that as a flip, idle boast; this dialogue is so devoid of humor...
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the climax feels like the mere midpoint of any Marvel Studios film — and the effect is that of a rushed school play trying to hit final curtain by curfew.


Trank's tweet costs cash.




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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:49 pm
by Leisher
I meant to mention previously about the trailer...

The line that made me know this movie would suck is:

"If we do this, we do it our way."

So fucking cliche. What exactly is "your way" considering this is an origin story and you've never worked together as a team?

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:05 pm
by Leisher

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:23 pm
by Paul
he said he purchased the film "for a couple of million dollars in cash" and, not having seen it, ordered all prints destroyed.

The full movie is here:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video....rtfilms

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:38 pm
by TPRJones
Paul wrote:The full movie is here:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video....rtfilms
Well. That was weird. The dialog is occasionally bizarre, the direction is frequently clumsy, the acting is a bit erratic, the few "futuristic" sets of 1999 are straight out of the future imagined in the 1950s, the effects are sometimes hilarious, and for some reason whenever the musical score isn't being melodramatic it keeps veering into clown music.

But for a schlocky 80s sci-fi flick it's better than average. Not as good as Weird Science but better than My Science Project. Perhaps on par with Battle Beyond the Stars.

Absolutely the best Fantastic Four movie made to date. I recommend it.

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:49 pm
by Malcolm
Fun with numbers:
Absolutely the best Fantastic Four movie made to date. I recommend it.

The budget was $1M.

The '05 FF had a $100M budget and made $330M due to what's know as the "Phantom Menace" effect. However, the jig was up. The '07 sequel put in $30M more and made $40M less. This one was $120M and is dying at around $60M. Who the fuck was sleeping on the dailies for this fucking thing?

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:40 am
by Leisher
Fox pushing ahead with a sequel.

I doubt they'll hit the next release date as it'd be very foolish to give the public more shit they didn't buy the first time. This is just Fox holding onto the characters in their very bitter war with Marvel.

I bet there's a MUCH higher chance that these characters show up in an X-Men movie than any new FF movie in the next 3-4 years.

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:42 am
by GORDON
In other News, Fox executives were recently seen sitting around wondering if they could figure out how to cancel Firefly again.

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:58 am
by Leisher
Don't start that list, it's way too long.

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:19 am
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:In other News, Fox executives were recently seen sitting around wondering if they could figure out how to cancel Firefly again.
That shit can't be cancelled hard enough.

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:09 pm
by Malcolm
Compared to Batman and Robin. Damn.

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:23 pm
by Leisher

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:44 pm
by Malcolm
Is there any stuff, insider or otherwise, about anything that went right?

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:55 pm
by Leisher
Fans petitioning Fox to stop making FF movies.

Seriously, no way can investors sit back and let them make another.

Miles Teller and Trank almost fought on set.

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:06 am
by Leisher
Marvel reaches deal with Fox for Fantastic Four.

Fox wisely gave up.

Too bad they completely own the X-Men now.

On the comics side, Marvel is doing everything it can to pretend mutants no longer exist in the Marvel universe.

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:56 am
by Malcolm
This comes shortly after news that Marvel and Fox have done a ground-breaking deal for the X-Men TV rights – allowing 20th Century Fox to produce two new television shows based upon Marvel’s mutants.

I would've told Fox to go fuck off.

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:45 am
by Leisher
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:37 am
by Leisher
Got a 4th movie free renting movies this weekend and I grabbed this one.

I'm putting spoilers in here. This movie sucks donkey balls, so you shouldn't care.

I went into it with super low expectations, and was surprised to discover it was even worse than I imagined.

There was simply no respect paid to the source material at all. Marvel's "First Family" wasn't a family, Reed and Sue had no romance, Doom didn't have his mask and his whole story line gets wrapped up in what seemed to be 15 minutes, and holy shit could I go on. Keeping all that in mind, it's ok to add diversity where it's needed, but when you pay so little respect to the source material in every way, your addition of diversity comes off as a cheap tactic to get another demographic into your theater.

The plot and dialogue were possibly written by a child. I mean every cheesy moronic thing a hero or villain could say from the 50s is here. Oh, and the military is bad because it's Hollywood.

And hey, let's talk about Doom! It could be argued that Doom is one of the most complex villains in all of literature. Megalomaniac? Absolutely! Evil? It's a gray area... However, they really simplify it here by making him kind of a nice guy with an ego and then disappearing until the last 15 minutes of the movie where he finally shows up without his mask or his trademark costume and only does so because the evil military goes to his world. Seriously. And instead of Doom telling folks to piss off, he instead just willy nilly decides that Earth's got to go and begins a painfully long process to complete said task. Meanwhile, he takes a walk around the base insta-killing every living thing from distance EXCEPT for the FF and their dad. Why? It made no sense that everyone else in the base died instantly except for those specific people. It made no sense that he killed people in every hallway , yet somehow never ran into any FF members despite them finding one another.

Holy shit did this suck!

I won't blast the actors here because they had nothing to work with, but damn...if they get honored at some point in the future they won't be including clips from this film in their tribute.

Just a horrendous film in every way. A steaming pile of shit. I've seen better writing in Sharknado movies. If Josh Trank never gets another big budget movie he only has himself to blame. He clearly had no clue what he was doing, shouldn't be writing scripts, and should abso-fucking-lutely respect source material that's existed since long before he was born and has a massive audience already.

Still, watch it when you can for FREE. You'll enjoy the fact that your expectations couldn't be lower and how the film proves they weren't low enough.