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Cakedaddy wrote:I have said before that I think it would be a good exercise to try to win a game without scoring any kills.

I have come to the conclusion that EVERYONE is too aggressive. Scooty and I were talking about last night's games. He said "Leisher is an insane Teemo. Hyper aggressive.". I have noticed Leisher's aggression as well. He doesn't see it. Early game, I harass and farm. When I die, or score a kill, it's because the enemy does something I didn't expect. I don't actively try to kill early game. It's what gets you killed.

You are both insane. It's odd to be told I'm too aggressive by someone who the whole team says is ultra aggressive while he thinks he's uber conservative, and a guy who lives under his turret on SR.

I do just fine on TT with Singed in my lane, meanwhile our top seems to feed every game.

I harass and farm. I don't go for kills. I don't know how else to spell that out for you two. The only time I go for kills is if Singed tells me he's going to flip someone. Of course, that's him speaking to me, which my other two lane partners didn't do...

What I think you don't understand is that Teemo has no health, can't run fast, and the enemy ALWAYS targets him. That's not Scooty hyperbole, that's fact. Ask Gordo. Teemo is an easy kill, so they always run past Singed to get to me. Seriously, what EXACTLY do you expect me to do in game? How far back from the farm should I be standing? When you have an ultra short range you're kind of forced to move close to the action.

This post might read "angry", but it's not, it's frustration. I don't know how to fix "you're too aggressive". Particularly when me being aggressive apparently means I'm hiding behind turrets and getting no farm.

1. I don't go for kills unless Singed tells me to.
2. I stay behind the second row of minions, always.
3. I shoot enemies with blind to harass.

How is that aggressive?

And since we're doing criticism, what's the deal with Scooty's champ selections? Poopy, Warwick, Caitlyn, etc. Is the goal to use an unpopular champion, build them the opposite of what they're intended to be, and impress everyone?

Wonder what they were saying.

Cakedaddy wrote:Yes, I believe it is feasible. Efficient? Of course not. Through split pushing and guerrilla tactics, I think it can be done. Spend the whole game defending our turrets, and attacking where they are not. Which really, isn't all that different from how we play when the other team is dominating us. We just do it right from the beginning and to more of an extreme.

I think the most epic of games will be the one we win where we score NO kills. It will most likely also be the longest game we ever play. But, it will be most epic. I bet it's never been done.

A turret diving Trynd, an extra tank and lots of CC. Wards everywhere would be a must.

The hardest part would be the end where they are playing defense and we are trying to kill nexus turrets without killing them. We would have to use deception and tactics the whole game. Let them push our nexus while we back door them.

When I laned with Teemo, he would run past me shooting at the enemies. I would then follow to hit them too. I would sit back and try to steal last hits. Not in an attempt to be a dick. It seemed like we were both doing it and therefor, pretty much sharing them equally. We'd just talk a bit a smack while doing it. Anyway, I'd be timing my shots when all of the sudden, Teemo is blasting past me to shoot the bad guys. We would push our minions all the way to their turret making us susceptible to a jungle gank.

So, in my observations, he'd chase the enemy back a lot. Plus, he'd auto attack the minions non stop so that we were pushing them to their turret.

Someone REALLY needs to start recording these games.

All that being said. . . I don't have a problem with any of it. You play the best Teemo you can and I trust you. We win more than we lose, etc. It's all good. But as an observer, it seems like you are aggressive.

Playing with Scooty is like playing with a random fifth who happens to be in our voice chat. You never know what you are going to get from him.

Yes, I believe it is feasible.

Leisher wrote:

Yes, I believe it is feasible.

I do agree it's possible. However, it'd be damn near impossible. You'd have to go out of your way to avoid kills.

GORDON wrote:We'd need at least 2 AD peeps who can kill turrets fast...

I think the most epic of games will be the one we win where we score NO kills. It will most likely also be the longest game we ever play. But, it will be most epic. I bet it's never been done.