The Shatner scene that wasn't.
http://trekmovie.com/2009....tidbits
Star Trek Reboot - Spoilers
This is interesting.
http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009...ints-addressed/
WHY TIME TRAVEL?
Many (including myself) have wondered what the point was of going to such great lengths to reconcile existing Star Trek cannon with a new story. Why bother with all this alternate-timeline hooey? If you’re rebooting the franchise and starting over, then just start over! The problem with that, according to Kurtzman & Orci, is that audiences might have assumed this new movie was simply an attempt to tell a story about Kirk & Spock from back before the original series, and everything that happened in Trek lore is still destined to happen. Where’s the fun in watching this crew take on the galaxy if we know Kirk will eventually be killed by Soren, Spock will become an ambassador to Romulus and everyone else lives? By history being altered, nothing has yet been written – Kirk really could die on the next mission and Khan might end up selling shoes. With a whole new timeline, stories are no longer beholden to “established” history and while everything we know and love is still there, how it plays out is no longer written. If you’ll pardon the cliche, essentially it means that everything old is new again!
THE CORVETTE
A deleted scene established that Kirk’s stepdad is a real bad mofo, and he forces young Kirk to wax & polish the car. He threatens that if he finds even one spec of dirt, he’s going to beat the kid senseless (I still think it’s a dumb scene, but at least this provides a lot more motivation for it). Other tidbits about this scene: The Beastie Boys song may be a blatant attempt to make Star Trek seem more hip, but if you look closely at the dashboard, the station playing it is listed as ”oldies.” Also, what the hell is a cliff like this doing in famously flat Iowa? Again, sharp eyes will see that the sign Kirk blows through reads “quarry” (i.e. a man-made pit). Another scene of 10 year old Kirk that didn’t make the final cut (I’m not sure if it was filmed or not) also involved a young Carol Marcus! Props to the boys for diving so deeply into the Trek mythos (they both admit to being Wrath of Khan junkies).
FAMILIES ON BOARD?
A fan asked why George Kirk’s pregnant wife was on board the USS Kelvin, since families weren’t supposed to be brought on board until the Next Gen days. “Because she’s a Starfleet officer” explained the dynamic duo. This is also alluded to in another line about Kirk’s mother being off-world.
25 YEAR WAIT
After the incident with the USS Kelvin, did Nero and his crew really just hang around the black hole for 25 years, playing Fizbin and waiting for Spock to emerge? Couldn’t they have used that time to, say, help Romulus avert eventual disaster? Turns out a major cut scene explains what happened during that time frame. After being rammed by the Kelvin, Nero’s ship was crippled; a convoy of Klingon Warbirds captured the crew and held them in a prison camp for all those years. Eventually the Romulans escaped, reclaimed their ship, blew up 47 Klingon vessels and returned to their mission (some of this is discussed in dialog which remains in the film). The good news is that these scenes were completed and there is hope they may surface on the DVD.
COINCIDENCE ON HOTH
The motherlode of the film’s many handy coincidences involves the banished Kirk conveniently running into Spock Prime (as the writers coined him early on) in his cave on Delta Vega. Much to my surprise and delight, even this jaw-dropping moment has an explanation! In the minds of the creators, the focus of the plot is that Nero’s destruction of the timeline has altered history to the point that the all important friendship of Kirk and Spock is now threatened. If these two don’t come together, the fabric of space and time itself is endangered (as we have witnessed by the universe itself being saved countless times over the last 40 years). Kirk “coincidentally” running into Spock Prime is an example of fate itself trying to bring these two together. That’s how important it is. In fact a line about this was included during Spock Prime’s mind-meld speech, but was removed at the last minute (the writers said this particular speech was labored over more than any other section of the script and they now regret not including the line about fate). While this doesn’t completely forgive a very hackneyed sequence, it does address the most egregious moment in the film and I appreciate that an attempt was made to explain it. In the wake of criticism over this scene, perhaps the line will be restored for the DVD release. It would make a world of difference.
NEXT ON JERRY SPRINGER
A lot of people found themselves scratching their heads over the unlikely romantic pairing of Spock and Uhura. The inspiration for this came from the original series, where apparently there are scenes of these two flirting (if anyone reading this remembers which episodes they’re talking about, please fill us in). Since the rough-and-tumble badboy is always the one to get the girl, the writers wanted to pair Uhura up with the less obvious choice. Besides, since Uhura is a smart, mature woman, they felt that she would probably gravitate towards the more interesting, intellectually mature man.
GREEN GIRL BLUES
There was a lot more material further explaining Kirk’s relationship with the hot green chick. Since she worked in the computer lab, Kirk was essentially sleeping with her to gain access to the simulation computer so he could cheat on the Kobyashi Maru. In a cut scene, Kirk tells her that if she gets an email from him while he’s taking the test, she should open it; she does, and it launches a virus which installs his cheat-patch.
SPOCK, MEET SPOCK
Why didn’t the universe explode when Spock Prime met New Spock? What about all the time-honored SF theories that going back in time and meeting yourself will lead to anti matter explosions, tears in the fabric of space/time and dogs and cats living together? In doing their research on the latest fringe science theories, the current thinking is that events which create huge paradoxes (like going back in time and killing your grandfather) no longer will result in cataclysm, but the instant creation of an alternate universe which allows for the new reality (and I’ll back them up on this, since I’ve read material on the subject that basically says the same thing).
ALL BLOWED UP
Why did Kirk feel the need to fire all weapons at a doomed ship? After all, Nero’s vessel was mere seconds away from being crushed inside the black hole. Not true, said the Trek scribes – Nero’s ship was built to travel through black holes, so if Kirk hadn’t done anything, the bad guys would have slipped away and emerged god knows where (and when) ready to do more evil.
LENS FLARES: THE MOVIE
Why on Earth did JJ Abrams turn Star Trek into a two-hour commercial for lens flare plugins? I have to admit, upon my second viewing of the film I found this visual motif to be highly distracting and irritating. Flares, reflections and luminous ghosts simply appear everywhere, even without any obvious sources. The reason? JJ wanted a visual metaphor that stated “we have a bright future ahead of us.” No, I’m not making this up.
EXPLOSION SURFING
Would creating a big explosion on the event horizon of a black hole really create a shockwave that the Enterprise could surf to safety? No. But the explosion would alter the nature of the event horizon and create a space-time ripple that would… do something. Ok, my memory of this answer is a little shaky, but the pair did impress the crowd with a well researched solution that did make sense – you’ll have to listen to the podcast for the details.
Edited By GORDON on 1242664887
http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009...ints-addressed/
WHY TIME TRAVEL?
Many (including myself) have wondered what the point was of going to such great lengths to reconcile existing Star Trek cannon with a new story. Why bother with all this alternate-timeline hooey? If you’re rebooting the franchise and starting over, then just start over! The problem with that, according to Kurtzman & Orci, is that audiences might have assumed this new movie was simply an attempt to tell a story about Kirk & Spock from back before the original series, and everything that happened in Trek lore is still destined to happen. Where’s the fun in watching this crew take on the galaxy if we know Kirk will eventually be killed by Soren, Spock will become an ambassador to Romulus and everyone else lives? By history being altered, nothing has yet been written – Kirk really could die on the next mission and Khan might end up selling shoes. With a whole new timeline, stories are no longer beholden to “established” history and while everything we know and love is still there, how it plays out is no longer written. If you’ll pardon the cliche, essentially it means that everything old is new again!
THE CORVETTE
A deleted scene established that Kirk’s stepdad is a real bad mofo, and he forces young Kirk to wax & polish the car. He threatens that if he finds even one spec of dirt, he’s going to beat the kid senseless (I still think it’s a dumb scene, but at least this provides a lot more motivation for it). Other tidbits about this scene: The Beastie Boys song may be a blatant attempt to make Star Trek seem more hip, but if you look closely at the dashboard, the station playing it is listed as ”oldies.” Also, what the hell is a cliff like this doing in famously flat Iowa? Again, sharp eyes will see that the sign Kirk blows through reads “quarry” (i.e. a man-made pit). Another scene of 10 year old Kirk that didn’t make the final cut (I’m not sure if it was filmed or not) also involved a young Carol Marcus! Props to the boys for diving so deeply into the Trek mythos (they both admit to being Wrath of Khan junkies).
FAMILIES ON BOARD?
A fan asked why George Kirk’s pregnant wife was on board the USS Kelvin, since families weren’t supposed to be brought on board until the Next Gen days. “Because she’s a Starfleet officer” explained the dynamic duo. This is also alluded to in another line about Kirk’s mother being off-world.
25 YEAR WAIT
After the incident with the USS Kelvin, did Nero and his crew really just hang around the black hole for 25 years, playing Fizbin and waiting for Spock to emerge? Couldn’t they have used that time to, say, help Romulus avert eventual disaster? Turns out a major cut scene explains what happened during that time frame. After being rammed by the Kelvin, Nero’s ship was crippled; a convoy of Klingon Warbirds captured the crew and held them in a prison camp for all those years. Eventually the Romulans escaped, reclaimed their ship, blew up 47 Klingon vessels and returned to their mission (some of this is discussed in dialog which remains in the film). The good news is that these scenes were completed and there is hope they may surface on the DVD.
COINCIDENCE ON HOTH
The motherlode of the film’s many handy coincidences involves the banished Kirk conveniently running into Spock Prime (as the writers coined him early on) in his cave on Delta Vega. Much to my surprise and delight, even this jaw-dropping moment has an explanation! In the minds of the creators, the focus of the plot is that Nero’s destruction of the timeline has altered history to the point that the all important friendship of Kirk and Spock is now threatened. If these two don’t come together, the fabric of space and time itself is endangered (as we have witnessed by the universe itself being saved countless times over the last 40 years). Kirk “coincidentally” running into Spock Prime is an example of fate itself trying to bring these two together. That’s how important it is. In fact a line about this was included during Spock Prime’s mind-meld speech, but was removed at the last minute (the writers said this particular speech was labored over more than any other section of the script and they now regret not including the line about fate). While this doesn’t completely forgive a very hackneyed sequence, it does address the most egregious moment in the film and I appreciate that an attempt was made to explain it. In the wake of criticism over this scene, perhaps the line will be restored for the DVD release. It would make a world of difference.
NEXT ON JERRY SPRINGER
A lot of people found themselves scratching their heads over the unlikely romantic pairing of Spock and Uhura. The inspiration for this came from the original series, where apparently there are scenes of these two flirting (if anyone reading this remembers which episodes they’re talking about, please fill us in). Since the rough-and-tumble badboy is always the one to get the girl, the writers wanted to pair Uhura up with the less obvious choice. Besides, since Uhura is a smart, mature woman, they felt that she would probably gravitate towards the more interesting, intellectually mature man.
GREEN GIRL BLUES
There was a lot more material further explaining Kirk’s relationship with the hot green chick. Since she worked in the computer lab, Kirk was essentially sleeping with her to gain access to the simulation computer so he could cheat on the Kobyashi Maru. In a cut scene, Kirk tells her that if she gets an email from him while he’s taking the test, she should open it; she does, and it launches a virus which installs his cheat-patch.
SPOCK, MEET SPOCK
Why didn’t the universe explode when Spock Prime met New Spock? What about all the time-honored SF theories that going back in time and meeting yourself will lead to anti matter explosions, tears in the fabric of space/time and dogs and cats living together? In doing their research on the latest fringe science theories, the current thinking is that events which create huge paradoxes (like going back in time and killing your grandfather) no longer will result in cataclysm, but the instant creation of an alternate universe which allows for the new reality (and I’ll back them up on this, since I’ve read material on the subject that basically says the same thing).
ALL BLOWED UP
Why did Kirk feel the need to fire all weapons at a doomed ship? After all, Nero’s vessel was mere seconds away from being crushed inside the black hole. Not true, said the Trek scribes – Nero’s ship was built to travel through black holes, so if Kirk hadn’t done anything, the bad guys would have slipped away and emerged god knows where (and when) ready to do more evil.
LENS FLARES: THE MOVIE
Why on Earth did JJ Abrams turn Star Trek into a two-hour commercial for lens flare plugins? I have to admit, upon my second viewing of the film I found this visual motif to be highly distracting and irritating. Flares, reflections and luminous ghosts simply appear everywhere, even without any obvious sources. The reason? JJ wanted a visual metaphor that stated “we have a bright future ahead of us.” No, I’m not making this up.
EXPLOSION SURFING
Would creating a big explosion on the event horizon of a black hole really create a shockwave that the Enterprise could surf to safety? No. But the explosion would alter the nature of the event horizon and create a space-time ripple that would… do something. Ok, my memory of this answer is a little shaky, but the pair did impress the crowd with a well researched solution that did make sense – you’ll have to listen to the podcast for the details.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
So yeah, there was an entire series of scenes where Nero and crew got solo screen time?
Why the hell was that deleted.
They're only given so much time in theaters, thus things get cut. Expect to see that stuff on the DVD, particularly if it really is finished as the writer says.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Here's a wild-ass bet:
In the enxt movie, there will be a short conversation about, "Hey, did you hear about how the U.S.S. Not Enterprise found that old ship from 1996, and it had those Eugenics Wars peeps frozen inside it? Yeah, the leader managed to take over the starship, killed all the crew except for the women, and plundered 3 federation colonies before the Romulans found him and took him out." Thus, we'll never have a Khan situation with the new crew... I hope. I just don't want them to try to top Star Trek II. And Mantalban can't be replaced.
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In the enxt movie, there will be a short conversation about, "Hey, did you hear about how the U.S.S. Not Enterprise found that old ship from 1996, and it had those Eugenics Wars peeps frozen inside it? Yeah, the leader managed to take over the starship, killed all the crew except for the women, and plundered 3 federation colonies before the Romulans found him and took him out." Thus, we'll never have a Khan situation with the new crew... I hope. I just don't want them to try to top Star Trek II. And Mantalban can't be replaced.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
GORDON wrote:And Mantalban can't be replaced.
I think The Most Interesting Man in the World could pull it off, but he'd be too old for this Khan, this would have to be TV era Khan not movie era Khan.
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I'm nervous about Khan too. My biggest fear is that while they've changed the rules in a very cool way, it wouldn't mean a change in character for Khan. Thus, anyone trying to portray him would be compared to the original and that's going to be tough.
Of course, they do have the advantage of youth here. So anyone playing Khan shouldn't be compared directly to the original.
They could also go another route if they wanted to, for example, what if Khan died on Seti Alpha 5 and not his wife?
Of course, they do have the advantage of youth here. So anyone playing Khan shouldn't be compared directly to the original.
They could also go another route if they wanted to, for example, what if Khan died on Seti Alpha 5 and not his wife?
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
I've been told that this is the rundown of the prequel comic:\
Nero and his crew are mining a planetoid that orbits the Hobus Star when a solar ejection happens and they have to flee (incidentally, the substance they are mining from the planetoid is the same stuff that is used to make red matter, which may have something to do with how powerful the nova becomes). Next scene is Spock testifying before the Romulan High Council about how the Hobus Star is going to go ultra-super-mega-nova and blow up Romulus in the process, but that the Vulcans have technology to create a black hole that could stop it. Romulan High Council tells him that he's wrong, they don't want help from the Vulcans, and to go away. Nero takes Spock aside after the Senate meeting and they come up with a plan to go to Vulcan, get the Red Matter, and stop the supernova themselves. Spock promises to save Nero, his pregnant wife, and Romulus.
They both go to Vulcan, where they meet up with Data and Picard. The Vulcan High Council tells Spock that they can't give this technology to the Romulans because they can't be trusted. Nero gets super pissed and tells Spock that if they don't save Romulus, he'll hold Spock and the Vulcans responsible, and leaves.
En route back to Romulus, the Hobus star goes nova and destroys Romulus just as they get there. Three Federation ships show up to help with rescue efforts, and Nero fools them into lowering their shields and beams mining charges over and destroys them. Then they get a broadcast from the Romulan High Council who has managed to escape. Nero picks them up and executes them after getting the High Council's security codes, and takes the Praetor's staff.
The Vulcan High Council re-evaluates their position on the whole ordeal after new simulations indicate that the star could end up devouring the entire quadrant. Geordi shows up with the awesome ship (called The Jellyfish), and they start modifying it to carry the red matter.
They travel to a secret base, tell the commander that they found the High Council all mortally wounded, and that the Praetor willingly passed the High Council's secrets to Nero along with his staff. The commander calls his story bullshit, but modifies his ship with reverse engineered Borg tech anyways, because she shares his desire for revenge.
They end up destroying a shitload of ships in the area, so Picard contacts the Klingons, who dispatch a fleet to find Nero's ship, and Nero ends up beating the shit out of them and badly wounding (possibly killing) Worf, who's the head General of the Klingon Armada.
The Jellyfish launches carrying Spock on what he assumes to be a suicide mission. The Enterprise-E (with Data as captain and Picard the Vulcan Ambassador) onboard go off to keep Nero off of Spock. Nero gets them to lower their shields to beam out a badly wounded Worf, then blows the shit out of the E while her shields are down. Nero calls to gloat, then goes after Spock.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
One of the other things that really bothered me about the movie, and I can't quite place my finger on exactly why, but the whole Spock Uhura thing really felt "off".
That whole thing is so far off the logic reservation that they've pretty much reduced Spock to an OCD dude with pointy ears.
Raymon in Rainman comes across as more Vulcan than the half vulcan.
That whole thing is so far off the logic reservation that they've pretty much reduced Spock to an OCD dude with pointy ears.
Raymon in Rainman comes across as more Vulcan than the half vulcan.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
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Vince wrote: Scotty in the water supply. This was a Galaxay Quest "Chompers" moment (which made me laugh out loud in the theater when I thought of it). Having a room the size of a football field, three stories tall, full of twisting clear pipes (oddly just large enough for a man to pass through) winding all over and back over themselves served no fucking purpose other than for that scene.
I feel the same way about ships designed with large spaces with narrow bridges built across them without any hand-railings, etc.
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It's not me, it's someone else.
I could have sworn he also said "If Scotty can get us up to warp 4" and the screen behind them in the same scene shows "Warp 4.3###..."GORDON wrote:Also:
Didn't Chekov come up with a plan to get ahead of Nero using Scotty to "boost warp speeds" or whatever, comeout of warp so near to Saturn's moon Titan that Nero wouldn't see them, and then beam on to Nero's ship as it went past Saturn?
Because Nero was already drilling Earth when they came out of warp at Titan. So what did I miss?
It's not me, it's someone else.
Received the comic from Amazon, today. The above summary is correct. I can't really think of anything to add that is important.
Neat "seeing" Data alive again, though.... the positronic imprinting on B4 that was hinted at in the last movie took hold.
Neat "seeing" Data alive again, though.... the positronic imprinting on B4 that was hinted at in the last movie took hold.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."