Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:24 pm
Sounds like IT jobs circa 1999.
We'll find out soon, with the oil bubble that just popped.Malcolm wrote:Sounds like IT jobs circa 1999.
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:32 pm
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:29 pm
Obama wants to make 2 years of community college free.
Federal government will pay 75%, states pay 25%.
Federal government will pay 75%, states pay 25%.
What students have to do: Students must attend community college at least half-time, maintain a 2.5 GPA, and make steady progress toward completing their program.
What community colleges have to do: Community colleges will be expected to offer programs that are either 1) academic programs that fully transfer credits to local public four-year colleges and universities, or 2) occupational training programs with high graduation rates and lead to in-demand degrees and certificates. Community colleges must also adopt promising and evidence-based institutional reforms to improve student outcomes.
What the federal government has to do: Federal funding will cover three-quarters of the average cost of community college. Participating states will be expected to contribute the remaining funds necessary to eliminate the tuition for eligible students.
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:31 pm
Damn, wish I still had GI Bill eligibility. I'd be rich.
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:39 pm
And why doesn't he just make it an executive order? If he really wanted to do it, he'd do it, and let the republican congress be the bad guys by stopping it.
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:42 pm
Executive orders don't include funding.
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:29 pm
A 2.5? Wow.
Think most people can hack that?
Think most people can hack that?
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:35 pm
If the counselors stop trying to shove everyone into academic programs and give information on technical programs to the students that need to hear about them, then yes. That's entirely possible.
As things stand now? Not a chance. Around 1/4 of students do that well.
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As things stand now? Not a chance. Around 1/4 of students do that well.
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:05 am
This will turn out well. Take the cost controls of affordability off completely see what happens. Things like this make me question if they're just stupid or actually trying to massively screw things up?
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:21 am
If it's between subsidizing normal college, and community college, then I'm all for this. And if it keeps those $40k/year loan people from racking up those loans and instead being in CC, I'm all for it.Vince wrote:This will turn out well. Take the cost controls of affordability off completely see what happens. Things like this make me question if they're just stupid or actually trying to massively screw things up?
Honestly, I'm generally for subsidizing useful education overall.
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:23 am
Whoever wrote this article headline might have needed more critical thinking in his/her education:
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:02 am
At this point with Pell grants being so common, it's essentially free CC for everyone that wants it anyway. The proposed change will be pretty minimal.
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:15 am
If you do 4 years in the military, get the GI Bill, and get an honorable discharge, it is essentially 4 free years of college, after. Was $1500 a month of free money, last time I looked at it.
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:40 pm
Instead, with the added inefficiency of the federal government added in, it'll be $60k/year of federal debt (ie, all of our debt) per person rather than $40k for the individual.TheCatt wrote:And if it keeps those $40k/year loan people from racking up those loans and instead being in CC, I'm all for it.
I just think the free money will being the CC up to the same level of waste as other colleges rather than helping.
I think I'd too beat down to be optimistic about anything the government wants to do.
The feds will always make a bad situation worse. Always.
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:01 pm
The article says $3,900 a year cost of CC.Vince wrote:Instead, with the added inefficiency of the federal government added in, it'll be $60k/year of federal debt (ie, all of our debt) per person rather than $40k for the individual.TheCatt wrote:And if it keeps those $40k/year loan people from racking up those loans and instead being in CC, I'm all for it.
I just think the free money will being the CC up to the same level of waste as other colleges rather than helping.
I think I'd too beat down to be optimistic about anything the government wants to do.
The feds will always make a bad situation worse. Always.
Yes, it could make CC more inefficient, but it would take years for it to be as bad as college.
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:14 pm
I just think the free money will being the CC up to the same level of waste as other colleges...
Heh. You think community colleges are more efficient and less wasteful than the four-year schools. That's adorable.