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Posted: **Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:18 pm**

System builder copies just came in, like, a DVD case. They were also $100 cheaper because they are only supposed to be loaded onto one system, ever.

Posted: **Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:25 pm**

Of course it will have OEM versions. But right now, it looks like you can only buy versions of Vista with Windows 7 upgrade coupons.

Posted: **Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:32 pm**

Well that's what I was asking. If the system builder version was available NOW.

Posted: **Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:05 pm**

Even if you are an administrator, Windows 7 runs EVERYTHING as a limited user, regardless, and you have to right-click on the program and manually select "run as administrator"

which caused me 15 minutes of grief as I tried to get my vpn software running.

Posted: **Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:19 pm**

That sounds stupid.

Posted: **Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:59 pm**

System builder copies just came in, like, a DVD case.

Why didn't you just say OEM?

OEM versions are unavailable at this point as you still can't buy a PC with Windows 7 pre-loaded. Once you can, that's your signal that it's out.

Even if you are an administrator, Windows 7 runs EVERYTHING as a limited user, regardless, and you have to right-click on the program and manually select "run as administrator"

Are you sure that's true if you're actually logged in as "Administrator", and not just with an ID in the Administrator group?

Posted: **Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:18 pm**

Leisher wrote:
System builder copies just came in, like, a DVD case.

Why didn't you just say OEM?

Because when you buy them they are called "Windows XP/Vista for System Builders."

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116049

Though I guess it still has "OEM" tacked on at the end.

Edited By GORDON on 1252001980

Posted: **Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:00 pm**

Leisher wrote:Are you sure that's true if you're actually logged in as "Administrator", and not just with an ID in the Administrator group?

My user is in the administrators group. For all of Windows' existence, that has meant I'm an administrator, just like any other administrator.

I'm less of a fan of Windows 7 now.

I have a software program that moves a text file from one directory to another. It cannot run under Windows 7 even running under a user who is an administrator.

Fuck Microsoft.

Posted: **Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:25 pm**

Goddamnit. The user access control was supposed to have finer granularity.

Edited By Malcolm on 1252016748

Posted: **Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:41 pm**

For people at home, UAC is 100% better.

For developers, it apparently still sucks donkey cock. Now I have to figure out how to kill it, and the menu option wasn't in the same place as Vista.

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:32 am**

Because when you buy them they are called "Windows XP/Vista for System Builders."

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116049

Though I guess it still has "OEM" tacked on at the end.

I don't know that I was aware they marketed OEM versions that way. I haven't built a system from scratch in more than 6 years.

My user is in the administrators group. For all of Windows' existence, that has meant I'm an administrator, just like any other administrator.

I'm less of a fan of Windows 7 now.

I have a software program that moves a text file from one directory to another. It cannot run under Windows 7 even running under a user who is an administrator.

Fuck Microsoft.

Yeah, just FYI, I think if you're logged in as the actual administrator you won't have this problem.

And yes, that's bullshit.

This is part of Microsoft's push to make Windows more like Macs, IE: PCs for dummies. They're punishing the smart so the weak are less able to fuck their own systems up. (Where have I heard this strategy before?)

Let's hope that there is a workaround or this gets addressed quickly.

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:49 am**

I just can't believe there isn't a convoluted off switch like with Vista's UAC.

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:37 am**

There are 4 settings for UAC, none of which affect this behavior.

I need to login to my account, cuz then I can access my other computers without having to type in credentials each time.

I know for most people this is fine, I just need an off switch. I've tried to google it twice, with medium effort, and neither time found an answer. I'm guessing that it's due to the newness of Windows 7, and that it will bubble up eventually.

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:01 pm**

That's the main reason I don't care for the latest base version of Ubuntu Linux. They're pulling the same sort of crap with root access and administrative tasks. It's even compiled right into the kernal that if you rig a work-around that allows for automatic root login, the system shuts itself down and reboots.

Guess who quit using Ubuntu.

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:24 pm**

Fuck Ubuntu. I'd use Gentoo before anything else.

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:38 pm**

So far the only answers really is to enable the base administrator account (disabled by default), and use that account, if you really want to be an administrator.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:53 pm**

So my wife installed the latest Microsoft updates, and all hell broke loose, basically trashing her system functionally.

I checked the event viewer, and found the corrupt file.

Even running explorer as administrator, I could not update it.

So I enabled the true administrator account, and switched it.

Still couldn't update it.

So I ran some hack I found on google, taking ownership and changing the policy of the file, and updated it. Everything worked. So I rebooted.

And, everything broke. Windows File Protection overwrote my changed file with the previous corrupt version.

At that point I just gave in and ran System Restore, which seems to have fixed it.

I guess the lesson is to just go with what MS gives you, but since System Restore had never fixed one of my problems before, I didn't even think of it.

Posted: **Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:36 pm**

Kind of excited i get to nerd out...

Company has decided to give me a budget to build a design computer.

I have pretty much everything I need, so basically I get to spend it all on the shiniest toys.

i7 North, Win 7, decent graphics card, basically making a better gaming system than I have at home.

Too bad it will be never used for gaming

Whole kit isn't going to be much over 600, but I guess i don't need all that much stuff...

Edited By Troy on 1258666684

Posted: **Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:09 pm**

I'm pretty sure dual 24" flat-screens are more than $600 for good ones.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:39 am**

Has anyone found anything at all that doesn't run under Win7 Home? Still haven't decided if XP mode is worth the extra $30. Anything I run that MIGHT care isn't going to be upgraded to Win7 anyways. I'm just looking at games and VNC. VNC doesn't list Win7 yet, that I've found. So, curious if anyone's tried it.