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Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:58 pm**

So as long as the reason isn't "dogma," it's ok to break the law? What about the mayors of "Sanctuary Cities" that flout federal immigration law? They're cool because their reasons aren't religious?

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:14 pm**

GORDON wrote:So as long as the reason isn't "dogma," it's ok to break the law? What about the mayors of "Sanctuary Cities" that flout federal immigration law? They're cool because their reasons aren't religious?

When people cherry pick religious beliefs that were laid down thousands of years ago and claim they are 100% applicable to today's life, verbatim and beyond question, I find that insane. As I pointed out, her branch of Christianity must let the divorce thing slide.

The Sanctuary City idea also seems insane. It's as psychotic as zero tolerance but in the other direction. It's infinite tolerance.

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:15 pm**

Don't you wish it was actually ok to only be accountable for following the laws that you agree with, too?

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:25 pm**

GORDON wrote:Don't you wish it was actually ok to only be accountable for following the laws that you agree with, too?

I have no issue with breaking bullshit laws. Applying rules of sexual morality pioneered by Semitic nomads in the Fertile Crescent centuries before Vesuvius erupted isn't enough for me to call bullshit on the 14th amendment. She's not issuing licenses in a church and if her religion places her at odds with the duties of a county clerk, she doesn't have some inalienable right to that position. If she can tell the people to go to another county to get married, then I can tell her to go to one to get another damn job.

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Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:52 pm**

Well, ok. But as long as it is YOU deciding which laws are legit, or not. I don't really trust those other fuckers.

Do us all a solid and get on those sanctuary city mayors, now.

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:00 pm**

GORDON wrote:Well, ok. But as long as it is YOU deciding which laws are legit, or not. I don't really trust those other fuckers.

Do us all a solid and get on those sanctuary city mayors, now.

"The law" is what the city is willing to enforce. Kentucky is quite willing to keep this woman in jail until the governor sees fit. If they felt like taking on the feds, they had the choice, and that state wasn't going to bat for her. Cali decided the opposite, even in the face of voter-approved legislation (another reason why I think voting is getting next to worthless). If you want to give the federal government total authority to fuck over an individual state, *** COUGH INTERSTATE COMMERCE CLAUSE BULLSHIT COUGH*** there's not a lot of recourse. Let me remind you of the oath this clerk took:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of ——————— according to law...

The second half of the oath (which I've omitted) has to do with swearing you've not engaged in a pistol duel.

If that conflicts with her faith, then that job's not for her. This is like a Hindu bitching about his job in the slaughterhouse.

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Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:03 pm**

Dude, I'm on your side. I think most laws are bullshit, too. Let's just do the ones we agree with.

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:58 pm**

GORDON wrote:Dude, I'm on your side. I think most laws are bullshit, too. Let's just do the ones we agree with.

Why should I play by different rules than the gov't? My crimes are fairly minor, and I had enough cash to lawyer up. At least I had an end game in mind. Wtf was hers? Refuse forever and figure nothing was going to happen?

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Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:17 pm**

“People who today we admire, like Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Jan Huss, John Bunyan, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and more,” Staver said in the statement. “Each had their own cause, but they all share the same resolve not to violate their conscience.

The difference is not one person on that list had a cause with the specific goal of curtailing the ability for other people to enjoy their civil rights.

Posted: **Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:02 pm**

When Ali went to jail for refusing the draft, which was legit on his end and also for religious reasons, he didn't go out and burn other people's cards. If she wanted to object due to faith, cool. That means your job's gone. She had a relatively (key word) easy option. For some reason, though, the "drawing a paycheck" aspect of her job held equal importance with her divorce-friendly faith and she froze like a deer in the headlights. The "following my oath" part of her gig is a distant third. I bet if god started paying her $80K a year, she'd quit the clerk thing. But I simply don't believe she'd cut it as a televangelist.

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Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:46 pm**

Clerk now deity of marriage because nothing is valid without her approval.

A jailed Kentucky clerk asserted that marriage licenses issued without her authority Friday to gay couples in Rowan County are void and "not worth the paper they are written on" because she didn't authorize them, her attorney said.

Psycho.

Staver called on the judge as well as Democratic Gov. Steve Beshear to make "reasonable accommodations" so that Davis can keep her job without violating her beliefs as an Apostolic Christian. He suggested that with an executive order, he could change all the forms in Kentucky so that none require a clerk's signature or say that they've been issued under a clerk's authority.

As long as the rest of the county acknowledges your god wins tiebreakers and we rewrite state law to accommodate your fragile ego, it's all good? That's your alternative? This is getting close to clinical narcissism.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:55 pm**

Since I'm now in KY I'm getting more of the story than most of the media is choosing to tell. This clerk is simply asking that the license be changed to not have her name on it. As far as issuing a license as a matter of public records, she has no problem. It's granting of the license with her name at the top that she has an issue with. From her perspective it's the same as her sanctioning gay marriage. She's only asking for a license that she can issue without her name on it and KY records currently don't support that and the Gov. doesn't want to help her out there. So it's as I've said for a while now. It's not enough that you simply live and let live. They will force you to celebrate it with them or go to jail.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:59 pm**

Maybe she shouldn't take jobs that conflict with her religion. She can run for the governor's office or state legislature if she wants to change it. Jews probably would have trouble being bacon taste testers, and they might want to stay away from that instead of trying to warp reality around them so they can do it.

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Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:55 am**

The media shouldn't be warping reality about the facts of this situation.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:02 pm**

The media reported what Vince is reporting as well.

The reality is: She isn't doing her job, and should be fired.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:52 pm**

Where do I find the religion that has gods who only allow me to work between the hours of 12 and 2 in the afternoon and still require me to get paid for 40 hours a week? Guess my employer will have to accommodate me because stress is deadly. Hell, I can just invent one.

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Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:30 pm**

Vince wrote:It's not enough that you simply live and let live. They will force you to celebrate it with them or go to jail.

In this case that's bullshit and you know it. Sure I can understand her point and I - and probably most people - would be fine with changing the documentation so that it doesn't show her name on any marriage licenses. But the ultimate effect of her choice of actions is actively denying the civil rights of people she swore to serve. Period end of story.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:03 pm**

WBC calls out clerk on her hypocrisy. At least they can keep their insane beliefs consistent.

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Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:02 pm**

Well, technically, from a biblical point of view they are correct about her.

While the bible says nothing about gay marriage, it's pretty clear about how you only ever get one marriage. Anything after that is adultery, by the definition of her own religion.

Posted: **Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:27 pm**

Released from jail

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