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Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 5:54 pm
by GORDON
I never said anything about constant beating, I said a punch in the nose at the right time in life is a good reality check. I didn't even imply an adult had to do the punching.
My citation of reference is Charlie Murphy, from Charlie Murphy's True Hollwood Stories. In one such tale he and his less famous brother Eddie had accepted a visit from singer Rick James. Rick went to Eddie's new white couch and rubbed his muddy feet all over it, at which time Charlie and Edward attacked him most cruelly, punching him repeatedly in the long muscle of the thigh. Ouch. Eddie, ever the soft heart, said he felt bad for hurting Rick. Charlie, much wiser than young Edward, said, "We aren't hurting him, we're helping him."
Check and mate, gentlemen.
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 5:55 pm
by Vince
TPRJones wrote:I expect what's really needed is balance. Constantly beating a kid is not likely to have a positive result. Constantly coddling a kid is also not likely to have a positive result.
I agree. I joke a lot about whooping a kid's ass, but some kids do well to that and some do better just shaming the hell out of them. The parent needs to know the kid. My step daughter from my first marriage only had to be told she was getting a spanking and she punished herself worrying about it to the point where she barely got a swat once the time came.
But I think the unearned praise, participation trophies, and parents that act like their kid should never face diversity are a problem pretty uniformly across the board.
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:14 pm
by Malcolm
Charlie, much wiser than young Edward, said, "We aren't hurting him, we're helping him."
If my brother had the ability to retain whatever lawyer I wanted, I'd probably say the same shit. To boot, I'm going to bet Rick James was high as shit for that entire decade. If someone's got enough chems to numb their brain, then the only recourse is generally physical.
Kid had Gucchi sunglasses and a BMW. I'm going to guess he wasn't hurting for cash. Which is shitty because it sounds like a high-class hooker or two at the proper time in life would've done him much better than an ass kicking.
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:29 pm
by TPRJones
Vince wrote:But I think the unearned praise, participation trophies, and parents that act like their kid should never face diversity are a problem pretty uniformly across the board.
I've seen a kid that had been treated pretty badly his whole life dumped into a family that did this sort of thing. Although it confused the hell out of him at first, it also seemed to do him a world of good. Fortunately before he swung too far the other way he realized it was just as much of a form of lie as the other extreme, and he didn't turn into a little shit.
But that's a rare case. Usually too much of this crap is not good.
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 1:11 am
by Malcolm
Extremes are generally shitty. Going from one polar opposite to the other is a painful and often destructive process but generates unique viewpoints.
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 9:28 am
by Leisher
The debate about how to properly raise a child will go on forever.
I personally feel that the correct answer is in the middle. You need to give a child praise, but at the same time, you can't give them false praise. Sometimes everyone should get a trophy, and sometimes people need to feel the bitterness of losing. A child also needs to get spoiled when they do something right, and get a slap on their butt when they fuck up from time to time.
The problem in our society is that too many morons think a slap on the butt cheek equals someone beating their child senseless. I promise you that someday there will be a new movement that talks about how cruel time outs were, and they were just a form of emotional child abuse.
As for this asshole, how about him just being crazy?
He isn't hideous, he's a director's son, and they obviously have money. He had to have serious issues going on if he's never even kissed a girl.
Seriously, how many girls do you know who would think he's cute without the cash, BMW, and direct access to Hollywood?
As for the "blame movies" horseshit. If that's the case, then I guess we could have at least delayed this killing spree by just showing him "40 Year Old Virgin"...
Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 1:21 pm
by Malcolm
And more.
"After Columbine, after Sandy Hook, after things like this, the usual arguments come up. On the gun side, it's take all the guns away - the extremists say - or give everybody a gun," Beliz said.
It's the "same thing with the mental illness side - it's 'Make the laws tougher, hospitalize everybody, throw away the key.' That's great until it's your kid."
Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 3:43 pm
by GORDON
Make sure the mental health hospitals are not the nightmares that Reagan shut down in the 80's, and the decision is not as difficult.