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Leisher wrote:No, I think it's a dumb decision too.

Makes their job easier, yes. However, it makes it harder for audiences.

Call me crazy, but I'd want my product to be as easy for consumers to consume as possible.

I'd wager the target demographic they're going for overlaps a lot.

I just had a thought... they could get different actors to play those parts from episode to episode. That way they could destroy viewer immersion right in the show itself without worrying about the disconnect between the big and small screen characters.

I don't watch the show, but I saw some pictures.

Did they purposefully pick an actress for Supergirl who has the same jowl configuration as a young Hillary Clinton?

I'd wager the target demographic they're going for overlaps a lot.

That's what's really confusing about it. Do they really think people watching The Flash aren't also going to see BvS?

I just had a thought... they could get different actors to play those parts from episode to episode. That way they could destroy viewer immersion right in the show itself without worrying about the disconnect between the big and small screen characters.

Don't shows already do that when there's a contract dispute? I never watched the show, but didn't Sarah Chalke replace someone on the Roseanne show and they pretended like she was that character all along or some shit?

Also, you are making a joke, BUT they're currently trying to cast Superman for the Supergirl show on the CW, right? Well, they already had a Superman show on the CW very recently. Superman was played by Tom Welling. While there are rumors they might cast him to play Superman on Supergirl, which would make all the sense in the world, why is it even a discussion? Cast the fucking guy your fans already know as Superman! Or do they honestly think it's a different audience?

Don't shows already do that when there's a contract dispute? I never watched the show, but didn't Sarah Chalke replace someone on the Roseanne show and they pretended like she was that character all along or some shit?

Oh yeah. Then the producers reneged and got the original back.

Leisher wrote:WB/DC has said previously that their TV and movie universes will remain separate.

That means the folks who play characters on the little screen won't be the same folks playing them on the big screen.

Watched one Flash crossover episode of Supergirl. Don't know if I'll watch it on the CW, but we watch the other DC shows on the CW. To be honest, I consider the CW Flash and Arrow to be the "real" Flash and Green Arrow. Aside from the original Batman trilogy (and I was just so-so on the last installment there), I have found Flash and Arrow to be superior. The wife and I like the Flash so much that there is zero interest in the movie. I'll be interested in seeing how that movie does.

Sort of amusing.... you don't care about the movie because a different actor will be used, and I don't care about devoting time to the TV shows because a different actor will be used from the movie.

Supports my opinion.... their strategy sucks.

GORDON wrote:Sort of amusing.... you don't care about the movie because a different actor will be used, and I don't care about devoting time to the TV shows because a different actor will be used from the movie.

Supports my opinion.... their strategy sucks.

No, it's not the actor really. The shows have been well written and executed. The movies not so much.

In Flash's first season, about every other episode had a pretty cool moment where I said to the wife, "They pulled that directly from the comics".

The were almost as many moments in Superman and BvS where I said, "They kind of pooched that from the way it was in the comics."

IMO, the movies just haven't been as well written.

I have one or two of those shows bookmarked on Netflix.... I MAY get to them someday. But it would be a sure thing if they were having continuity between the tv and movies.

I have one or two of those shows bookmarked on Netflix.... I MAY get to them someday. But it would be a sure thing if they were having continuity between the tv and movies.

It's funny because the comics are all suffering from this continuity question too.

DC, as we've discussed, dumped almost all of its continuity with a relaunch called the New 52 that arose from their Flashpoint event. The idea was their continuity was too deep and involved. It made story telling a bit more difficult and new readers were always lost. Sales were high initially, but quickly dropped off and fans were outraged that all the history they've read and/or known was wiped out. Just a few years later, DC has just held or is about to hold another event that wipes out the New 52 and returns everything back to original continuity.

Marvel is having a similar experience as they try to change their continuity. Sales are down.

Adding tons of diversity at the same time doesn't help, especially when you already had tons of diversity. (It's seriously like Marvel doesn't have white heroes anymore. I think things have gone wrong when you have to add white people to add diversity...)

It also doesn't help Marvel's cause that they're forced to use shitty characters like the Inhumans while the X-Men are reduced to bit players and the Fantastic Four are gone thanks to bad movie rights deals.

Anyway, back on point, continuity matters. It matters a LOT more than people in entertainment think. Audiences love it and they're more willing to spend on products they're vested in than new products.

I think both Marvel and DC are making mistakes in handling their properties.

On Marvel's end, they should be changing how contracts work in Hollywood. Sign actors to lifetime deals with per appearance rates based on the medium. You can work out any number of stipulations to make it work for both the studio and actor. You want to bet Marvel's Agents of Shield wouldn't be having any ratings issues if it was very likely that Thor, Iron Man, or the Hulk could show up at any time? (I'd limit those appearances, but they'd certainly make at least one cameo a year.)

On DC's end, I think they put the cart before the horse. they went all in with these TV shows that are huge successes, but they don't think those actors can carry a movie. I don't think they understand that the actors are trivial when compared to the characters they're portraying.

The characters and some decent writing. Starting to get the "I'm going to put my personal stamp on this" vibe from the DC movies.

Starting to get the "I'm going to put my personal stamp on this" vibe from the DC movies.

That's where they failed from the start. They handed the reigns to whatever "hot" director would take the gig and then sat back thinking it'd be an immediate hit.

Meanwhile, Marvel hired Kevin Feige and made him THE voice for the direction of all the films. He knows the product and characters. They then hired names, but let them know they were doing it Marvel's way, and not their own way. That's why Edgar Wright left Ant-Man.

It worked for DC with Nolan's Batman trilogy, which was awesome, but overrated. However, that was before Marvel got going. Marvel has completely changed film making. After Green Lantern bombed, BvS became a massive failure (I realize it made money, but it's considered a failure by everyone involved, even WB/DC), and early public reception of Suicide Squad was dismal, WB/DC FINALLY pulled their heads out of their ass and created the Kevin Feige role.

I expect not their films will tell a more coherent story and be far more faithful to the source material.

The next step will be for them to stop trying to hire "hot" directors and actors, and instead hire people who are right for the role.

For example: Ryan Reynolds was a terrible choice for Green Lantern. I said this prior to seeing the movie. He would have made a great Flash. Flash tells jokes. That's an area where Reynolds excels as we've seen with Van Wilder and Deadpool. Green Lantern is older and brooding. He doesn't tell jokes and rarely smiles. He's the guy who doesn't get intimidated by Batman. At the time, Nathan Fillian was the best choice for GL. Now? I'd have to give it thought. Nathan's no longer available as he's at Marvel now. And rumored to be playing this guy:


That casting is amazing, and if they go the route that's been rumored, I mean...brilliant. But that's a conversation for a different thread.

Who's that guy?

Fillian will always be Captain Hammer to me. Well, and sometimes Captain Tightpants.

TPRJones wrote:Who's that guy?

Fillian will always be Captain Hammer to me. Well, and sometimes Captain Tightpants.

Oops. Wrong one. That's Wonder Man up above. He's goddamn near the Martian Manhunter of Marvel. MM being DC's "superhero Swiss army knife."

I don't get the MM comparison?

Wonder Man is Simon Williams, who happens to be a famous actor. His power is ionic energy. This gives him strength, invulnerability, etc. In fact, he's essentially immortal.

The rumor has it that his role in the Marvel Universe might involve Simon portraying Tony Stark in an Iron Man movie... Imagine Fillian and Downey having an in character discussion as Williams and Stark about Williams' portrayal of Stark in a movie. Could be quite hilarious.

I believe he's first going to show up in GotG:V2 though, so who knows?

I don't get the MM comparison?

I sort of take that back. WM has no mental abilities. But he just kept getting more shit.

Super strong and fast? Check.
Virtually immortal lifespan? Check. Shit, he doesn't even need to eat or drink.
Flight? Check.
Supergenius? Check.
Invulnerable to harm? Check. He doesn't even need air to breathe.
I think he could even alter his size at will at some point.

Well, he can't shape shift.

I don't think he's super fast?
I think you're right about the flying, but not sure.
Supergenius? I'm not certain that's true.
And I don't know about altering his size either. All the rest of that is true.

Leisher wrote:Well, he can't shape shift.

I don't think he's super fast?
I think you're right about the flying, but not sure.
Supergenius? I'm not certain that's true.
And I don't know about altering his size either. All the rest of that is true.

Simon Williams gained his superhuman powers due to chemical and radiation treatments with "ionic" energy by Baron Zemo, giving him superhuman strength, speed, stamina, durability, agility, and reflexes. While Zemo's initial aim is to use ionic energy treatments to make Wonder Man at least "the equal of any Avenger," his treatments surpass his expectations and endowed Wonder Man with strength comparable to that of Thor.
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Following his resurrection and metamorphosis, Wonder Man is capable of true flight. Due to Wonder Man's self-regenerating ionic energy, he has the ability to go without air, food, or water.
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Before his "death" at the hands of the Kree, Wonder Man discovered new abilities, such as changing his size (enabling him to grow taller than his adversary Goliath) and emitting energy from his eyes. Since his resurrection, Wonder Man has not used these powers. When the Scarlet Witch resurrected him during Kurt Busiek's tenure as head writer, Wonder Man was able to transform into a state of pure ionic energy at will and back again.

He's super fast and demi-god strong. Supergenius might be a bit strong, but his dad was the dude Tony Stark ran out of biz, so he's supposed to be a highly qualified engineer. But yeah, no shapeshifting, either.

I think he was kind of normal in intelligence (although super smart for an actor...). His best friend is Beast from the X-Men and I seem to remember Beast was the brains in all their adventures.

As for the speed thing, they might just mean "faster than normal" or while he's flying. Kind of like how Wolverine is listed as "super strong", but he can't hold a candle to Hulk or Thing or anyone like that.

I have recollections of him busting out weird electronic gizmos that he made. As for Beast, shit, damn near anyone in the Marvel universe looks dim next to that dude.