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GORDON wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:25 pm Maybe going to need to change the site name to "Damn the Republicans."

Fuck em all. But fuck Republicans more.

TheCatt wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:21 pm Disney. Porn. Abortion. Marijuana. LSD. Shrooms. Drag shows.

JFC hypocrites.

Books. Sexuality. Science. Sex work. Gay marriage. Other religions. Birth control. Euthanasia. Decent wages. Healthcare.

TheCatt wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:21 pm Disney. Porn. Abortion. Marijuana. LSD. Shrooms. Drag shows.

All politicians are hypocrites, but your list is incorrect.

-No ban on Disney.
-Their push to require ID for porn isn't a ban.
-Just read a CNN article this morning that the official R platform on abortion is now "It should be a state decision and they will not seek a nationwide ban."
-The next three are all drugs so shouldn't be split. There are only 6 states where pot isn't legal in some way. (All but one are "red states".)
-Where are drag shows banned?

Also, where's the criticism for the ban being proposed? All I see is whataboutism.

For your daily shot at Rs, this is what you should have posted:

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:57 am -Just read a CNN article this morning that the official R platform on abortion is now "It should be a state decision and they will not seek a nationwide ban."

Only because they're tired of losing elections. Their official PLATFORM is "pro-life, no abortion." The House isn't pursuing legislation for that platform though.

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:57 am -Where are drag shows banned?

TN to start. Other states following.

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:57 am -Their push to require ID for porn isn't a ban.

May as well be, I doubt websites + users will do it. Banning through regulation.

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:57 am No ban on Disney.

They're doing what they can to F Disney. "Let's build a prison next door, let's build toll roads to Disney"

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:57 am For your daily shot at Rs, this is what you should have posted:

What da fuck.

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:38 am Only because they're tired of losing elections.

I don't disagree, and to be fair, everything the Ds do is about elections.

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:38 am TN to start. Other states following.

Actual bans on drag shows or bans on who can attend and where they can be held? I looked it up. Just a ban on drag shows in public places and where minors could see them.

Not sure I have a problem with that. Why do we need children exposed to drag shows? (I feel like I keep asking that question...)

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:38 am May as well be, I doubt websites + users will do it. Banning through regulation.

But it's not. We'll see if it survives the inevitable legal challenges too.

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:38 am They're doing what they can to F Disney. "Let's build a prison next door, let's build toll roads to Disney"

That's not a ban. It's just petty. To be fair, Disney was given a hell of a sweetheart deal that tax payers and other corporations should genuinely question. In return Disney bit the hand that feeds them. Not because their executives give two shits about anyone, but rather because their gay workers demanded it. Now it's just a pissing contest.

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:38 amWhat da fuck.

Right?! Hilariously embarrassing. That video could be titled "Karens strike back at Bud Light!"

Aside from all the other cringe in that video, as a veteran who should be in their "core base", I am offended at the salutes in that video and how not a single person is doing it correctly.

Did the Bud Light PR woman behind the Dylan Mulvaney campaign help put this video together?

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:23 pm everything the Ds do is about elections.

If this were true, they'd win more.

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:23 pm Not sure I have a problem with that. Why do we need children exposed to drag shows? (I feel like I keep asking that question...)

People can't just be themselves? Dressed how they want? No drag show I've ever been to has been sexual. If you want to ban kids from being at sexual content, why not do that? Why is drag special?

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:23 pm But it's not. We'll see if it survives the inevitable legal challenges too.

I hope not.

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:23 pm That's not a ban. It's just petty. To be fair, Disney was given a hell of a sweetheart deal that tax payers and other corporations should genuinely question. In return Disney bit the hand that feeds them. Not because their executives give two shits about anyone, but rather because their gay workers demanded it. Now it's just a pissing contest.

No, they shouldn't. Middle Florida was a fucking hell hole. (Some would argue it still is). there was nothing there, and Disney built it, and the government is taking it away because they're a bunch of little children.

Disney build in a swamp FL didn't want to develop. Disney held up their end of the deal, and it's been the main driver of FL's economy. Desantis should be kissing Disney's dead, cold, hairy beanbag every single day Disney brings in another 10 mil of tourist dollars.

And I would say a show specifically designed to show people mimicking the opposite sex is, by definition sexual. I still question any group that is targeting kids, on principle. Maybe kids should learn about that from Monty Python, the way the rest of us did.

BTW the last drag show I saw at Hamburger Mary's was super sexually charged. One of the performers had a big-ole prosthetic penis going down his/her leg, under the tight spandex. And there were families in there. I was slightly WTF.

GORDON wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:37 pm BTW the last drag show I saw at Hamburger Mary's was super sexually charged. One of the performers had a big-ole prosthetic penis going down his/her leg, under the tight spandex. And there were families in there. I was slightly WTF.

That does seem WTF. But it's the sexuality that matters, not the drag.

GORDON wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:37 pm And I would say a show specifically designed to show people mimicking the opposite sex is, by definition sexual.

Dame Edna (RIP) really turned you on, eh? Or classic Shakespeare?

What does my level of arousal have to do with anything? It's a sex-change-ish show. It's sexual. It isn't just generic singing/dancing/entertainment, it has its own category and name.

GORDON wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:50 pm What does my level of arousal have to do with anything? It's a sex-change-ish show. It's sexual.

No. I could put on a skirt, and there's nothing sexual about it. Well, OK, bad example, since I picked myself, and you've probably already spooged your pants.

I'm using "sexual" not as the verb act of sex, but the noun sex, male or female. If you're playing games swapping male and female, then it's a sexual game.

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:27 pm If this were true, they'd win more.

The fact that they don't gives me faith in humanity. Not kidding. Their entire platform is about the government taking over people's lives.

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:27 pm People can't just be themselves? Dressed how they want? No drag show I've ever been to has been sexual. If you want to ban kids from being at sexual content, why not do that? Why is drag special?

You'll have to show me where simply wearing drag was banned. People can be whoever the fuck they want, but why do they have to do it in public and in front of children? The last drag show I attended featured 6-7 dancers all dressed very sexually, dancing sexually, and doing sexual things with audience members. You never answered in the other thread, so maybe you'll answer here, WHY DO WE NEED TO EXPOSE CHILDREN TO THESE TYPES OF SHOWS? Are regular male or female strippers allowed to do their routines in public? NO. So why should drag queens be able to do so?

I assume the bill would still allow them to do so in privately owned places, like a Hamburger Mary's? If not, I would absolutely have a problem with that.

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:27 pmI hope not.

I doubt it will, but who knows? Honestly, trying to regulate it seems like an absolute impossibility.

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:27 pm No, they shouldn't. Middle Florida was a fucking hell hole. (Some would argue it still is). there was nothing there, and Disney built it, and the government is taking it away because they're a bunch of little children.

Fuck Disney. They bought two IPs I loved and are running them into the ground. They also have ruined Disneyworld with their fucking greed. Additionally, they should have minded their own business. Because fuck ANYONE who thinks elementary schools needs books that show a boy sucking the strap on a girl is wearing or visually demonstrate how to insert a butt plug into a male anus. The world's foremost entertainer and some would argue educator, particularly for culture, of children shouldn't be pushing such materials.

Book burning is the height of ignorance.
Book banning is one step up.
Insisting children that young need to see such images is worse than both. There is no possible explanation other than grooming. Prove me wrong.

That all being said, I would hear arguments that such books are fine for high school aged kids when puberty has hit and they're starting to explore their sexuality. I also strongly disagree with the vast majority of books banned and how this whole thing was carried out.

Rs tend to act a lot like the same folks who used to burn witches as the stake.

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:47 pm WHY DO WE NEED TO EXPOSE CHILDREN TO THESE TYPES OF SHOWS? A

I'm pretty sure I said...

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:47 pm If you want to ban kids from being at sexual content, why not do that? Why is drag special?

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:47 pm That all being said, I would hear arguments that such books are fine for high school aged kids when puberty has hit and they're starting to explore their sexuality. I also strongly disagree with the vast majority of books banned and how this whole thing was carried out.

Well, "Don't say Gay" got extended to 12th grade, so take that up with FL.

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:47 pm Rs tend to act a lot like the same folks who used to burn witches as the stake.

Yes. Satanic Panic; D&D; the PMRC, all that bullshit.

I think the PMRC was started by Tipper Gore (D)

GORDON wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:22 pm I think the PMRC was started by Tipper Gore (D)

Oh damn, snap. You're right, it was Gore + 3 others, and went across parties. 3 Rs and 1 D (Gore) founded it. Most members were Rs.

I remember because I went to college with a guy from TN who claimed to have railed Tipper's daughter, around the time of those congressional hearings.

GORDON wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:39 pm I remember because I went to college with a guy from TN who claimed to have railed Tipper's daughter, around the time of those congressional hearings.

If it was Karenna, then nice work. Otherwise, that's like a self-own

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:04 pm I'm pretty sure I said...

Nah, you answered like a politician and avoided it. Kind of like you did with the next thing.

TheCatt wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:04 pm Well, "Don't say Gay" got extended to 12th grade, so take that up with FL.

My biggest problem here is why does everything have to be all or nothing? This goes to both parties. This is the sickness that turns these parties into cults and their followers into full on Kool-Aid drinkers.

You can condemn topless transwomen, who have been surgically altered, dancing in front of children; adults encouraging their 5 year old to stick dollar bills in a transwoman's G string; say that books like the ones described above have no place being in an elementary school; etc. and not be a hypocrite. It doesn't mean your cult loses. It just means you're a logical person who understands there is a lot of ground between turning the U.S. into a full on religious extremist country and allowing pedos into classrooms to choose which kid they want to date.

There is evil on both sides trying to distract by using hyperbole for every issue. They take things to the extreme always. These are the people who want pedos to be accepted or want a government ruled by the Bible. The good folks need to find compromise and shut down the extremes.

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:27 pm You can condemn topless transwomen, who have been surgically altered, dancing in front of children; adults encouraging their 5 year old to stick dollar bills in a transwoman's G string;

So... do parents get a choice here, or does the government? You want the government to control this?

Leisher wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:47 pm The last drag show I attended featured 6-7 dancers all dressed very sexually, dancing sexually, and doing sexual things with audience members. You never answered in the other thread, so maybe you'll answer here, WHY DO WE NEED TO EXPOSE CHILDREN TO THESE TYPES OF SHOWS?

I'm not aware we need to, but again - Why can't people make that decision? Why do you want the government making it for you?