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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:46 pm
by GORDON
Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:17 pm
by Malcolm
That really depends on the black market organ trade in their region, doesn't it?
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:16 am
by TheCatt
How much is a disabled person worth? Or a retarded one? Or one with a terminal illness? How do you distinguish? Do people have intrinsic value? What about people who want to work, but are just plain... stupid or incapable?
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:15 am
by TPRJones
I'd have to say that people - in general and as a baseline - are worth nothing. Actually less than nothing, considering the costs of raising an infant. So we all start with a negative intrinsic value. Where we go from there varies tremendously.
But then I've never bought that whole "life is precious and sacred" nonesense.
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:07 pm
by Malcolm
I might hear an argument for "precious" or "valuable." It can be. "Sacred?" Hell, no.
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:53 pm
by GORDON
It's a shitty question to ask, but when we become required to pay for everyone who can not pay for themselves, aren't we then allowed and required to ask? We're going to be paying for food, housing, education, and tonsillectomies, but I assume we wont be paying for bionic limbs when they set themselves on fire when smoking crack. Where's the line?
We're gonna need some death panels to figure this out.
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:31 pm
by Malcolm
Even if you give otherwise useless, worthless fuckwads free cash, they'll find a way to waste it.
Each Congressman's salary should be directly linked to how much cash all the other states have to pump into his shitty one, perhaps on a per capita basis. If your state's sucking up more than it's "fair" share, the excess gets deducted. After that's exhausted, we'll start garnishing their kickbacks, too.
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:04 pm
by TheCatt
Maybe we do need death panels.
i mean, is it worth $50,000 a month to keep someone alive?
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:15 pm
by Malcolm
TheCatt wrote:Maybe we do need death panels.
i mean, is it worth $50,000 a month to keep someone alive?
Do they contribute more than $50,00 to us? If it's Warren Buffet, I might vote "yes."
If it's Bruce Campbell, "hell, yes."
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:20 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:TheCatt wrote:Maybe we do need death panels.
i mean, is it worth $50,000 a month to keep someone alive?
Do they contribute more than $50,00 to us? If it's Warren Buffet, I might vote "yes."
If it's Bruce Campbell, "hell, yes."
This is the core of my question.
The ironic thing is, if they are worth keeping alive from an economic standpoint, they probably don't need government health care.
edit - Well, not exactly. But a government-run health system still isn't the way. As Thib said elsewhere... they want to cover routine visits to the doctor, which can't be covered if you want to call it "insurance."
Anyway.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:03 pm
by TheCatt
I don't think EVA is the way to judge lives.
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:51 pm
by Malcolm
TheCatt wrote:I don't think EVA is the way to judge lives.
Given finite resources & requiring infinite results means a system has to get brutal in its priorities. & when I say "has to" I mean that it will necessarily evolve that way. Your resources are finite. That means somebody might die of curable diseases. Magic Johnson's rich ass is still alive, but pretty much only because he's independently wealthy. We ain't all going to get to be Magic.
Shit, what are we going to do when there aren't enough organs to go around? I don't give a fuck how ironclad your plan is, it can't conjure a new pair of lung & kidneys from nothing. People can live w\ just one of each. If we're following the "everybody gets fixed at every opportunity" philosophy to the jack-booted extreme, then we start forcibly harvesting from healthy folk.
Course, this all based on the notion that we have to have some way to stamp a numerical value on someone's life.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:59 pm
by TPRJones
I don't give a fuck how ironclad your plan is, it can't conjure a new pair of lung & kidneys from nothing.
Well, now that the government is going to get involved in this stuff, maybe we'll find a solution.
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:46 pm
by Malcolm
Shit, I'm ready to implant my brain into a robot frame right now. Or get a jack installed in my spine to surf the net w\ my mind.
"I know kung fu."
"For the last time, NO you don't."
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:01 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:Shit, I'm ready to implant my brain into a robot frame right now. Or get a jack installed in my spine to surf the net w\ my mind.
"I know kung fu."
"For the last time, NO you don't."
I want to go into a Bridgette Barbeaux-bot.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:40 pm
by GORDON
Regarding my opening of the forum registration:
I just deleted 50 registration attempts by obvious spammers, and allowed 6 through... which are probably spammers. I won't have patience for this for long.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:33 pm
by TPRJones
Considering the apparent ratio of spammers to real people (so far 56 to 0) it may be best to close it again.
Damn spammers. We can never have nice things around here.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:12 pm
by GORDON
Would help if I changed forum software, but then we'd lose about 5 years of posts.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:17 pm
by TPRJones
There's no export / import functions to carry it all over?
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:28 pm
by GORDON
I've heard of interspecies importing/exporting of forum data, but I haven't looked it it for over a year.