Virginia Tech shooting.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:39 pm

From here.

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Post by **GORDON** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:12 pm

This guy had the same thought I did, about 20 minutes later. But then he went and found a good quote about it.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/222974.php

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Post by **GORDON** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:15 pm

Ah, but he got HIS idea from this guy, who had the thought about 4 hours before I did.

http://andrews-dad.blogspot.com/2007....in.html

Some people who were there during the University of Texas shootings in 1966 believe that the murder count was not higher because students ran back to their frat houses to get their deer rifles and shot back at Whitman. In fact most of the murders happened in the first ten or fifteen minutes of the attack. Whitman had to hide from incoming rounds once Texas boys returned fire, therefore he could only shoot through the drainage pipes, limiting his targets.

God damn; how far we've come.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:05 pm

I'm just waiting for the next round of gun control legislation. The House already has a new "assault weapons" ban in the hopper.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:51 pm

I'm waiting for:
* Why didn't police stop this earlier?
* How did [person] get on campus? (I guess this assumes not a student, who knows)
* Video games!
* Candidate reactions other than expressing sorrow
* Guns are bad
* 24 hour campus lockdown with security badges for everything

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:05 pm

And scuttlebutt has it that several people were lined up and killed "execution style."

Where have you heard this? Admittedly, I don't watch cable news, so I've just read a few things about it.

Post by **Vince** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:59 pm

TheCatt wrote:* Why didn't police stop this earlier?

Just saw an "expert" from New York already being critical of the campus police.

Ass hat

Post by **Vince** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:23 am

Oh yeah... are we going to tie university funding to a withdrawal date for VT?

Post by **Leisher** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:56 am

fark linked to an asshole who turned this into a political statement about banning guns, literally an hour or so after the shootings. To fark's credit, they bashed him as did 99% of the people who responded to the guy's column.

One of the best, in response to the writer saying guns should be illegal across the board, was:
"In Virginia, guns are illegal to take onto a college campus. It's also illegal to kill people. Neither stopped this from occuring."

This highlights a problem I've always had with...I don't want to say liberals, but rather, people who think we could literally be living in a utopia right now. They don't understand human nature, at all.

Banning guns will not stop crime. Nor will it stop mass murder incidents like this one. Remember, no guns were used in Oklahoma City or on 9/11.

This point is backed up by another poster in that forum who lives in Mexico. He or she pointed out that guns are illegal there and a person faces 10 years in jail if found with one, however that hasn't stopped criminals from getting their hands on them. Mexico hasn't become a crime free utopia. In fact, quite the opposite is true. It's a corrupt country overrun with drug lords and the fastest growing occupation is kidnapper.

DoctorChaos · Post by **DoctorChaos** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:01 am

Well, given the number of redundant laws for gun control, I say we make a law banning the breaking of the law. And if that doesn't work, well get the UN to create sanctions against the criminals, cause we wouldn't want to take action without international approval.

Ok, now I'm getting really ridiculous.

Getting back on topic, the shooter was a student.
What's really pathetic is not that they waited two hours to tell anyone, but they notified them via email. Guess we wouldn't want to spend any money keeping the students safe!

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Post by **Leisher** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:39 am

We're forgetting an angle that I'm sure will be brought up by some asshole...

What video game did he "train" on while planning this day?

DoctorChaos · Post by **DoctorChaos** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:47 am

Leisher wrote:What video game did he "train" on while planning this day?

DUCKHUNT!

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:00 am

Leisher wrote:We're forgetting an angle that I'm sure will be brought up by some asshole...

What video game did he "train" on while planning this day?

Don't worry, Jack Thompson's on the case.

Post by **Leisher** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:41 am

I hate that motherfucker with the red hot intensity of a thousand suns.

Breaking News. - Killer was a 23 year old South Korean English senior.

Here comes the "ban guns" spin in "unbiased" articles.
My favorite part:

Gun crime is extremely rare in Britain, and handguns are completely illegal. The ban is so strictly enforced that Britain's Olympic pistol shooting team is barred from practicing in its own country.

Britain's 46 homicides involving firearms was the lowest total since the late 1980s. New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year.

But...but, guns are illegal there, how is ANYONE being killed by them?

What's hilarious is that this article is linked via the previous article. Yet another gun murder in a country where guns are illegal. And this article is front page news today, a day when people are bitching about gun control.

How much more proof do they need before they realize that gun control is about nothing more than taking weapons from law abiding people? It doesn't stop a single criminal act.

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Post by **GORDON** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:33 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/index.html

A fellow student said the 23-year-old English major had authored two plays so "twisted" that his classmates suspected he might become a school shooter.

Whew, we only have to outlaw the written word to ensure this never, ever happen aga[ban in effect]

Post by **thibodeaux** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:40 pm

I'm sure you've all seen this; heck, it's probably linked somewhere above:

1. Jan 31, 2006: Virginia Assembly committee drops bill that would let CW permit holders carry on state campuses:

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker [remember that name, folks!] was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

2. Aug 21 2006: Virginia Tech terrorized by escaped prisoner. Grad student wishes he were allowed to carry on campus:

I had entrusted my safety, and the safety of others to the police. In light of this, there are a few things I wish to point out.

First, I never want to have my safety fully in the hands of anyone else, including the police.

Second, I considered bringing my gun with me to campus, but did not due to the obvious risk of losing my graduate career, which is ridiculous because had I been shot and killed, there would have been no graduate career for me anyway.

Third, and most important, I am trained and able to carry a concealed handgun almost anywhere in Virginia and other states that have reciprocity with Virginia, but cannot carry where I spend more time than anywhere else because, somehow, I become a threat to others when I cross from the town of Blacksburg onto Virginia Tech's campus.

3. Sep 05 2006: Larry Hinker (remember him?) responds:

After the fear, and dare I say, panic from the events of Aug. 21, it is absolutely mind-boggling to see the opinions of Bradford Wiles ("Unarmed and vulnerable," Aug. 31).

I once worked for an out-of-touch manager who gave rather absurd directions. My colleagues and I would do as directed and dubbed it "malicious compliance," knowing the task to be inane and the manager's foibles would soon be apparent.

The editors of this page must have printed this commentary if for no other reason than malicious compliance. Surely, they scratched their heads saying, "I can't believe he really wants to say that."
...
[here comes the money quote, folks:

Guns don't belong in classrooms. They never will. Virginia Tech has a very sound policy preventing same.

How's that policy working out, you obnoxious jackass?

Post by **Leisher** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:49 pm

Dr. Phil blames video games for VT massacre.

I thought he was a quack before.

Now I think he's an ignorant, self-serving, fear mongering quack.

Post by **GORDON** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:21 pm

Bush marks 'day of sadness.'

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18148802/

Yeah but it doesn't matter because there were no WMD's. In fact, since Bush says it is a sad day, maybe it is really a happy day because I have BDS.

I wonder what Sean Penn thinks.

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:48 pm

I wish CNN, Fox News, and any other 24-hour news channel would STFU.

Is there not some missing white woman they could go find? Is there not some drug-snorting bimbo dying somewhere over whose carcass they could fight? Perhaps some small abducted girl that they could obsess over?

I wish they'd wait until the facts came out.

I wish they would report the facts, instead of issuing conjecture.

I wish they'd let qualified people issue statements, based on careful analysis of things that actually happened, instead of letting their talking heads babble on about anything that pops into their skulls.

I wish they'd understand that the administrators are humans. Humans that may have made a bad decision based on bad information on the first shooting.

I wish that instead of incessantly playing the shots over and over again, and wondering how many students might end up with PTSD, they'd find a way to actually help the students.

I wish they'd drop it all. Drop the cameras. Drop the microphones.

I wish they'd strop tring to find a new angle on the story and instead try to let these people grieve and do what they need to as a community to heal and make whatever sense they can of the situation.

I wish, most of all, that instead of being scum-sucking leeches trying to profit on other people's emotions, that they'd try being the same thing everyone else in this situation is... human.

Post by **TPRJones** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:01 pm

One day it will be so. The younger generation gets most of it's news through social networks instead of talking heads. When we're old and in the ground the talking heads will have lost their hold on information dissemination, because no one will be left that will listen.

(Actually, I think it'll be much sooner than that and for different reasons, but the above is more certain to come to pass)

I like the future. Things keep getting better, and the assholes will all eventually get their due. That's what makes me smile when things are bleak.