Pizza "Delivery Charge?"

Post by **Cakedaddy** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:32 am

You know, it's funny how things all over are more expensive now, than what they use to be.

Maybe, they were always able to cover the cost of delivery with what they charged for pizzas. For one reason or another, they can't any more. So, the price of something had to go up. And, since it cost the pizza place more to deliver any given pizza than it does for you to pick it up, why not cover that cost by charging those that want that service? Why raise the price of a picked up pizza for everyone, just so people can still have their pizza delivered for 'free'? It would be like taxing people who don't even use that service and stuff. Last I checked, this isn't a socialist regime. . . This isn't Russia. . Is this Russia?

I dunno. I still don't get it. The cost of doing business goes up over time. They had to recover that cost from someplace. Why not from the people using that aspect of the business they can no longer cover with their normal pricing? nah, gouge everyone for the extra dollar. . . OH!! And make sure you stiff the poor driver. That'll teach the man for trying to get one over on you!

Mommy Dearest · Post by **Mommy Dearest** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:59 am

Exactly my point. Why should everyone have to pay more because one person wants the pizza delivered? I like to be rewarded for picking up my pizza.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:53 am

I think drivers are usually compensated for the use of their cars according to the Federal Standard Mileage rate.
Not when I was delivering, you just got hourly and all your auto expenses were your own problem.

Ditto.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:14 pm

The cost of doing business goes up over time. They had to recover that cost from someplace. Why not from the people using that aspect of the business they can no longer cover with their normal pricing?

If this were true, then the delivery charge would go directly to the drivers. The drivers are the ones that are having to pay more for gas and car expenses and not getting anything extra for it if the company keeps the charge. And in fact less since many people cut their tips by that amount.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:22 pm

Ok, well if someone can show me that the "delivery charge" is somehow paying for some sort of costs associated with a delivery driver that carries all of his own costs of delivery, I'll say that cake and MD have a point. Until then, they're just wrong.

This entire situation reminds me of the hotels that advertise $49 rooms, but after fees and taxes you pay $60.

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Mommy Dearest · Post by **Mommy Dearest** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:28 pm

Marco's Pizza for one pays a standard mileage rate to their driver's. Over the Road Truck Driver's get a certain cents per mile to operate their trucks. Since the price of fuel went through the roof they are charging a "fuel surcharge". Remember fixed and variable rates from accounting class? Has to be factored in.

Post by **Cakedaddy** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:34 pm

Ok, well if someone can show me that the "delivery charge" is somehow paying for some sort of costs associated with a delivery driver that carries all of his own costs of delivery, I'll say that cake and MD have a point. Until then, they're just wrong.

That's weak. We've already established that some of the drivers get some of the money. We also know that it's not free to the pizza place to have that guy deliver your pizza. Are they volunteers? We also know that the pizza place has to carry insurance for the driver to be on the road.

To me, the costs are obvious. Do I really have to produce a balance sheet with the expenses listed on it for you to believe it? I'll turn your argument back on you. Prove to me that it's free for the pizza place to get the pizza to me.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:00 pm

We've already established that some of the drivers get some of the money.

Only one verified case of this, versus four cases of the drivers not getting any of it directly. Point to GORDON.

We also know that it's not free to the pizza place to have that guy deliver your pizza. Are they volunteers?

I have heard no evidence yet that the drivers got a raise paid for by these charges. No point awarded.

We also know that the pizza place has to carry insurance for the driver to be on the road.

I have not heard of any verified cases of this. For myself and Catt it is incorrect, for we had to carry our own insurance while working delivery. Point to GORDON.

To me, the costs are obvious. Do I really have to produce a balance sheet with the expenses listed on it for you to believe it?

That might help. So far I have not seen any evidence that costs for the companies have increased but ample evidence that costs for the drivers has increased while they see little or none of the supposed "delivery charge".

I'll turn your argument back on you. Prove to me that it's free for the pizza place to get the pizza to me.

Okay, now you are being stupid. No one has even hinted that it is free to deliver pizzas. We are saying that the cost to the company has not increased while costs to the drivers has, and that the companies have taken advantage of this situation to dupe people like yourself into paying more and feeling good about helping the drivers when in fact it only hurts them by biting into their tips.

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Post by **Cakedaddy** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:14 pm

No one has even hinted that it is free to deliver pizzas.

You just did!!!

You said, they don't pay insurance, the driver does. - Free
They don't get a 'raise' - Free

Ok, the next time a pizza delivery guy hits your car, DO NOT sue the pizza company. Duh. The pizza place HAS to carry insurance. If the driver hits someone, the pizza place is responsible. And why do the drivers have to have a 'raise' when delivering pizza? They are getting an hourly wage, right? Wouldn't the delivery charge go towards covering that? Duh. When I pay my guys drive time, you sure as hell better beleive I'm billing the client for it. Why am I even bothering responding to your post!?!? You made little to no sense.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:07 pm

I don't even know what Cakedaddy is saying any more...

Final verdict: the delivery guy himself said that the delivery charge does not go to the delivery drivers. I wont short-tip a driver... so in the future I will patronize establishments that either still have free delivery, or at least advertise that there is a delivery charge and not sneak it in at the back end of the order like PJ's does.

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Post by **Cakedaddy** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:33 pm

I wont short-tip a driver

That's all I wanted to hear. All the other stuff was drug out of me in trying to make the point that it's not the driver's fault.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:42 pm

I wont short-tip a driver
That's all I wanted to hear. All the other stuff was drug out of me in trying to make the point that it's not the driver's fault.

But I was kind of acknowledging from the beginning that it was going to hurt the drivers, and I said it as a bad thing.

I at least thought to WONDER if the drivers get the delivery charge. How many people will just assume they get it and then tip less? I'm guessing lots.

Post by **Cakedaddy** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:01 am

Well, then I guess I'm smarter than many people. Lots even.

I assumed the exact opposite. I figured the driver wasn't getting any of the delivery charge. Why people would think the establishment would be trying to cover the employee, is beyond me.

I have to guess the people that would tip less don't really care if the driver is getting the money or not. They are just looking for an excuse to get out of tipping.

Post by **GORDON** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:11 am

So it sounds like you agree with me that "delivery charges" are a bad idea.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:30 am

I hate tipping.

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:13 am

I like tipping.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:43 am

I hate tipping.

Alright, there, Mr. Pink.

Post by **TPRJones** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:59 am

You just did!!!

Bullshit. What are you, ignorant?

You said, they don't pay insurance, the driver does. - Free

Correct, but there's other costs to delivering a pizza. Well one single cost.

They don't get a 'raise' - Free

Wrong. They still PAY them. What, do you think pizza delivery drivers work for free? Stop being stupid. This is the single cost item associated with pizza delivery.

Ok, the next time a pizza delivery guy hits your car, DO NOT sue the pizza company. Duh. The pizza place HAS to carry insurance. If the driver hits someone, the pizza place is responsible.

Wrong again. The DRIVER'S have to carry the insurance. Some few pizza places will pay the driver's for their coverage, but they are the exception not the rule. If a pizza driver causes an accident, they are liable not the company, unless you can prove in court that the company somehow forced the driver to drive in an unsafe manner.

Which is why there's no more 30-min or it's free deals. There was a court case just like that, and the person sueing the company maintained that since the cost of late pizzas came out of the paycheck of the driver, that the company was causing the drivers to drive in an unsafe manner and were culpable for their actions. The court agreed, so now there's no more 30-min or free deals and the pizza companies are once again NOT liable for the insurance or damages or anything, the DRIVER'S are.

And why do the drivers have to have a 'raise' when delivering pizza? They are getting an hourly wage, right? Wouldn't the delivery charge go towards covering that? Duh.

Well, MY point was that the company is now taking in MORE money than before and calling it a "delivery charge". The only way to justify calling it that is if the increase is to offset an increase in the company's cost of delivery, and the only way to increase that cost is to pay the drivers more (because that is the ONLY expense associated with actual delivery, period). If they are not paying the drivers more, then this is not a "delivery charge", it's an "increasing our profits at the cost of our own employees charge".

Why am I even bothering responding to your post!?!? You made little to no sense.

I'd like to take a vote on that from the other forum members. I'm sure that in this thread I'm the one making sense and you are blithering idiot.

Mommy Dearest · Post by **Mommy Dearest** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:45 am

And who would have ever thought that this subject would be so flamable?

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:56 pm

And who would have ever thought that this subject would be so flamable?

Just wait until we start discussing whether to hang the toilet paper to hang over the top, or come from below.