Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Post by **GORDON** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:14 pm

From here.

Boring post about how people who have never been to Gitmo call it Torture Isle, and those who have been there realize how stupid those first people are.

Edited By GORDON on 1121991961

Post by **thibodeaux** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:53 pm

What mystifies me about all this is: where's the outcry over what goes on in ordinary old criminal prisons all over the country? You know, the ones where the inmates rape each other so frequently that it literally has become a joke.

If I were naive, I might conclude that partisan politics were the motivating factor here.

Post by **TheCatt** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:26 pm

to play DA:

Ass-raped felons are guilty of something, most Gitmo detainees have had no trial/etc.

Post by **GORDON** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:29 pm

Yeah, but they weren't picked up for jaywalking, either.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:57 am

Ah, so it's OK to torture people if they're given a fair trial? Well, shit, in that case, Gitmo is worse than the Gulag: the Russians gave EVERYBODY a trial.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:54 am

Ah, so it's OK to torture people if they're given a fair trial? Well, shit, in that case, Gitmo is worse than the Gulag: the Russians gave EVERYBODY a trial.

I said "guilt of something"

Post by **thibodeaux** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:04 pm

Actually, you said that, and you said "most Gitmo detainees have had no trial/etc." These two statements were spliced together with a comma, presumably to highlight some sort of contrast. Besides, I'm sure the people in Camp X-Ray are guilty of something.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:11 pm

Actually, you said that, and you said "most Gitmo detainees have had no trial/etc." These two statements were spliced together with a comma, presumably to highlight some sort of contrast. Besides, I'm sure the people in Camp X-Ray are guilty of something.

Correct, inmates have been proven guilty through a trial, due process, etc. Gitmo peeps have not.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:27 pm

I thought there was some sort of military tibunal that was declaring them unlawful combatants, case by case. Witnesses and such.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:00 pm

I think the tribunal was set up to process them, but a)wasn't set up for a while and b) is hardly through processing them.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:14 pm

Correct, inmates have been proven guilty through a trial, due process, etc. Gitmo peeps have not.

Well, not all. There are those who are awaiting arraignment or trial, etc., who have not been convicted (or as you put it "proven guilty.")

So, again, I ask: is procedure the only thing that matters?

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:54 pm

I think procedure is the difference. Those awaiting trial are still going to have one ("timely", at that)

Post by **thibodeaux** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:04 pm

Ok, here's a hypothetical: suppose we were at war, and we captured some enemy combatants. Do they get a trial? Or what?

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:07 pm

Uniformed enemy combatants?

Post by **Vince** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:43 pm

I think the tribunal was set up to process them, but a)wasn't set up for a while and b) is hardly through processing them.

They are reviewed every year. Heard this morning that there are only ten (10) new prisoners In GITMO. What defines "new" I can not say. I also heard that there are approximately 400 prisoners there. Twelve of the ones that were processed and released have been either recaptured or encountered again as enemy combatants since their release, which tells me that the review process is erring on the side of innocence more that we're being led to believe from the detractors.

I'd be curious to see how many have been released total.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:05 pm

I also heard that there are approximately 400 prisoners there.

520ish. Here's one inspector's account of the recent inspection.

Have the moonbats started saying that the fascist guards just treated the innocent prisoners better in front of the inspectors? It's what I'd expect from them.

Sharky · Post by **Sharky** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:24 pm

Those interrogation descriptions don't sound so innocent - I'll bet the Harry Potter chick ripped up the book in front of the detainee when she was done.

Probably flushed the pages with an accompanying cackle and twirl of the imaginary Snydley Whiplash mustache, too.

DoctorChaos · Post by **DoctorChaos** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:59 pm

Those interrogation descriptions don't sound so innocent - I'll bet the Harry Potter chick ripped up the book in front of the detainee when she was done.

Probably flushed the pages with an accompanying cackle and twirl of the imaginary Snydley Whiplash mustache, too.

Damnit, now Children's Services is going to be knocking down my door for torturing my children. I read Harry Potter to them and I don't let them rip the pages. Oh the horror!