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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:35 pm
by 71-1085092892
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:53 pm
by DictionaryDave
Lately, Gordo, it sounds like you are becoming a conservative propaganda poster boy. Are you going to change the website to to Damn the Liberal Man?
(Well, you did just turn another year older (99?)people tend to get more conservative as they get older)
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:27 pm
by 71-1085092892
I've always commented on current events. Lately I am bombarded with images of Kerry. So I end up thinking about the issues a lot, which is unfortunate for Kerry.
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:30 pm
by 71-1085092892
By the way... it's interesting that stating facts can be considered propaganda.
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:28 pm
by DictionaryDave
GORDON wrote:By the way... it's interesting that stating facts can be considered propaganda.
Actually the use of facts is the most powerful form of propaganda. It depends on the subjective interpretation and context you place them in.
Webster's defines propaganda as "ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause."
I agree that Bush did not act unilaterally. I mean it is a fact that he built a coalition.
I just would like to know in what context and who exactly made the statement "Bush acted unilaterally." Attributing the qoute as a liberal positon is kind of vague. Also I would point out that in order for that statment to be true all liberals would have had to agree to it.
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:14 pm
by TPRJones
DictionaryDave wrote:I just would like to know in what context and who exactly made the statement "Bush acted unilaterally." Attributing the qoute as a liberal positon is kind of vague. Also I would point out that in order for that statment to be true all liberals would have had to agree to it.
I disagree about "all" being a requirement. There is almost nothing that ALL of any group of more than four people can agree on unanimously. I'd say the requirement would be either 1) over half, or 2) the leadership.
In this case, I've heard it a LOT in the media, attributed to liberal protestors and liberals in hollywood. More than enough to give the impression that it is a general position in the ABB crowd.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:07 am
by 71-1085092892
DictionaryDave wrote:I agree that Bush did not act unilaterally. I mean it is a fact that he built a coalition.
I just would like to know in what context and who exactly made the statement "Bush acted unilaterally." Attributing the qoute as a liberal positon is kind of vague.
If you don't think that statement is a widely held belief, or at least has been in the past, then I cannot debate you.
I'm making these "Shit back in the horse" posts so I can refer to them in the future, in arguments in other places. Then I'll have an easy link when I need to provide evidence when my statements are challenged.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:53 am
by DictionaryDave
TPRJones wrote:DictionaryDave wrote:I just would like to know in what context and who exactly made the statement "Bush acted unilaterally." Attributing the qoute as a liberal positon is kind of vague. Also I would point out that in order for that statment to be true all liberals would have had to agree to it.
I disagree about "all" being a requirement. There is almost nothing that ALL of any group of more than four people can agree on unanimously. I'd say the requirement would be either 1) over half, or 2) the leadership.
In this case, I've heard it a LOT in the media, attributed to liberal protestors and liberals in hollywood. More than enough to give the impression that it is a general position in the ABB crowd.
I will agree that a majority or leadership is better than all.
Liberal protestors and liberals in Hollywood usually not the most trustworthy, knowledgable, or reliable sources
ABB crowd?
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:29 am
by thibodeaux
DictionaryDave wrote:I just would like to know in what context and who exactly made the statement "Bush acted unilaterally."
I am fairly certain I have heard Kerry say we were "alone" in Iraq.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:13 pm
by TPRJones
DictionaryDave wrote:ABB crowd?
ABB = Anyone But Bush
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:44 pm
by TheCatt
Someone at the DNC (what little coverage I saw/heard) stated that we "acted virtually alone"...