Re: Today's Moron Champion
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:43 pm
Trump or Hillary, either one.
Oh no, things that are already happening will still happen? Whatever the fuck will we do!?!OK, Mr. Zookeeper. What should they have done? And just remember, if you get it wrong, and anything bad happens to that kid, the outrage will be 100x what it was for the gorilla. Including you getting fired, the zoo being sued, etc, etc.
But surely you realize you're doing the same thing? You can't answer the questions I ask of Catt above, yet you're certain you're correct.Dude, listen to yourself. He was acting aggressive and that doesn't up his chances of losing his shit with dozens or hundreds of gawking couch potato Steve Irwin fanbois pointing their fingers and cameras at him?
Could not agree more, and this is on the zoo. They need crowd control in these situations. If a crowd will make things worse then the crowd needs to be removed immediately. Who knows if the removal of the crowd would have calmed the ape down and prevented its death?Maybe the public that proclaimed to love the gorilla so much should have backed the fuck away instead of exacerbating the situation.
Proving my point from earlier about a 4 year old versus a 40 year old.After further thought, the only circumstances under which I'd argue against shooting the gorilla all involve Trump falling into the pit instead of the kid. In those cases, I'd go out for a few drinks, come back, maybe fire a dart or two, then see what happens.
I think there could be a very interesting discussion about nature vs the cost of human lives and/or incidents like this versus programs like lifelong welfare and how it all relates to humans circumventing Darwinism, but can you have those discussions without being branded a monster?The "who knows" part of this indicates they needed to shoot the ape. Hate it. They are magnificent creatures. Even if the ape isn't trying to hurt the kid (which I don't think he was), a 450 lb male silverback can snap a kid in two quite unintentionally.
That's my ENTIRE POINT.Leisher wrote:But for giggles... What they should have done after the kid, whom I'm certain will be a future MENSA member and cure cancer, fell in? I don't know and you know what? You don't either.
It's a gorilla, not a human. Go sign a PETA petitionYou expect everyone to question cops, but we can't question a zookeeper?
Technically, the people who are supposed to know best, didn't.That's my ENTIRE POINT.
I don't know, and I don't even care to know. The people who are supposed to know the best, did what they thought was best, the end. The enclosure has been there for decades, from what I've heard, and this has never happened. Certainly they will improve it now.
Fuck PETA.It's a gorilla, not a human. Go sign a PETA petition
I'm so confused. One moment you're saying no one can know what would have happened, the next you're saying they should have known better. Which is it?Leisher wrote:Technically, the people who are supposed to know best, didn't.That's my ENTIRE POINT.
I don't know, and I don't even care to know. The people who are supposed to know the best, did what they thought was best, the end. The enclosure has been there for decades, from what I've heard, and this has never happened. Certainly they will improve it now.
I'm with you on this Catt. My wife and I discussed this and she was asking me who was at fault. Sometimes no one is at fault.TheCatt wrote:I assign no blame to anyone. Shit happens, move along.
I'd like to be optimistic, but people were given a choice in the primaries and we've got Clinton vs Trump.TheCatt wrote:I'm with Vince, but I'm still optimistic that there will be no lawsuit on either side.
I have faith in individuals, but not the masses.Vince wrote:I'd like to be optimistic, but people were given a choice in the primaries and we've got Clinton vs Trump.TheCatt wrote:I'm with Vince, but I'm still optimistic that there will be no lawsuit on either side.
So my faith in man has been damaged.
Explain the logic behind the adults taking blame more than the zoo. As for the rest, I explained my position quite well earlier.I assign more blame to the adults than the zoo. Furthermore, all the "he might NOT have smashed the kid's head on concrete" revisionists can test the theory with your own child and zoo nearest you. Go ahead, show me the 100% reliability of an anxious ape's warm personality and interspecies empathy.
When did you become a blinders wearing progressive?What they did was fine, and there should be no lawsuit, the end.
When did I say "no one can know what would have happened"? I said they should know percentages. A card player doesn't know what card is coming next, but he should know the odds of getting a card he needs.I'm so confused. One moment you're saying no one can know what would have happened, the next you're saying they should have known better. Which is it?
Of course there are people to blame. It was easily avoidable, thus someone fucked up.Sometimes no one is at fault.
Like you said, this exhibit has gone a couple or three decades since it was built without incident.
This I agree with completely. Although, I've heard the mom and the kid had an actual argument about him entering the exhibit. IF true, that would seem to indicate that she had a lapse in believing what her child was capable of doing.People keep giving the mother grief and I'd say most of those people have never had kids. It is amazing how quickly a kid can end up in a circumstance that seems humanly impossible considering the few seconds your attention was required elsewhere.
I think back to one of the stories about a kid crawling up in a claw game machine into the toy bin of the game in the time it took dad to pay the bill at the checkout in a Chuck-E-Cheese.
It's their child. As much as everyone bitches about extra-family entities telling a parents how to raise a kid, I'd expect the adults in charge of the child to figure out that going into a zoo is like going into a semi-sentient loaded guns with feet exhibit with an underfunded design budget. Some animals have been domesticated, and some are outclassed by people in terms of bad-ass physical attributes. Gorillas are neither. I'm not an animal rights activist, nor am I a hunter with a wall of horny taxidermy heads. However, the "humor" article catt linked has a biting, cynical truth in it (my favourite kind).Explain the logic behind the adults taking blame more than the zoo.
The only thing wrong with that statement is the weight is about doubled. Maybe, under ideal conditions he's a reasonable, rational silverback. In the middle of a panicked group of people with an unfamiliar child ain't ideal. The kid makes one wrong move, he's dead. Harambe the Maytyr is not an expert on human anatomy, doesn't know what the fuck is going on, and is probably a bit perplexed why everyone's pointing and hooting at him. In addition, there's thing tiny, shaven, unfamiliar, pseudo-ape-ling thing they're all very interested in. Is it a fucking rag doll toy? Is it a capuchin monkey escaping from a frat prank gone wrong that wandered in? Awesome, and now the zookeepers are bitching at him. I know I love it when my managers yell at me, it puts me in a great mood. With due respect to the various academic experts, fuck them and their opinions in this case. I don't give a chimpanzee's shit about primate gurus who were busy analyzing this from the 20/20 rosy hindsight only attainable in Twitter-ville. There's a unpredictable goliath which is a mental coin toss away from making one motion that might break the kid's neck, and that's on the knife's edge bet the 4 year-old and everyone else acts 100% Fonzie the entire time.Many experts in the field of ape psychology have since come forward to point out how the child was obviously safer being dragged underwater by 800 pound gorilla, who has spent most of its incarcerated life in cramped conditions while being stared at by noisy humans with flashing camera phones.
That does not absolve you from the responsibility or guilt when you fuck up. In this instance, they got lucky the animal didn't have an asshole personality. The zoo keeps their beasts INside the enclosures while you and your family should be focused on staying the fuck OUT. If you can't handle your end of the bargain, don't fucking go to the zoo. You are the first and foremost defense line for your children. Yes, even in a less than perfect setting, including when you're around fences which might not be high enough, YOU are the one who's supposed to make sure they get home safe.It is amazing how quickly a kid can end up in a circumstance that seems humanly impossible considering the few seconds your attention was required elsewhere.
I can agree as a general rule to look and see what's happening in other zoos, but you're (1) assuming they never did and are (2) acting like all exhibits are built the same from one zoo to another. It may very well be that this zoo looked at other zoos and found that other zoos were coving up for bigger flaws than their zoo had.Leisher wrote: When a plane crashes, do you know what happens? The FAA reviews the incident and assigns new rules. Those rules apply to every airport and military base. Some foreign countries will even follow the new rules as well. They learn from mistakes made and make sure they do everything they can to prevent them from happening again.
How hard is it for the average zoo manager to watch the news and see folks jumping barricades and watch how other zoos combat it?