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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:25 pm
by GORDON
Organized election fraud, state by state.
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008....l-fraud
Stealing the election.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:17 pm
by Leisher
Not sure if anyone else saw it, but Yahoo ran an opinion piece as front page news all weekend claiming the ACORN scandal is more political posturing by the Republicans than actual voter fraud.
Seriously.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:22 pm
by TheCatt
Well, if it is true that the fraudulent registrations were indeed entirely the acts of people who just wanted money ($X/registration), and that none of those registrations vote, then maybe they have a point.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:28 pm
by Leisher
I absolutely agree, but the past two presidential elections proved that it's not just about cash. Voter fraud was seen throughout the nation during both presidential elections, and the majority usually went towards one party's candidates.
Hell, in Florida in 2000 the Dems actually fought in court to exclude overseas military votes and include the 583 convicted felons who were somehow able to vote.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:39 pm
by thibodeaux
Write this down: I predict that IF McCain wins (I know it's a big if), THEN the Democrats will accuse the Republicans of voter fraud. Which will just be so funny, except not.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:26 pm
by Malcolm
I'm still waiting for the legal anvil to fall on someone's head.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:25 pm
by Vince
TheCatt wrote:Well, if it is true that the fraudulent registrations were indeed entirely the acts of people who just wanted money ($X/registration), and that none of those registrations vote, then maybe they have a point.
I could go with that if we were talking about a couple of isolated incidents. But what's the count up to now? Something like 22 states they're looking at? When almost half the states are having voter registration issues, we're talking about more than just problems with individuals screwing with the system. There's an environment that's encouraging it at some level.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:14 pm
by TheCatt
Well, I have to figure that at the rates they were paying, they prolly aren't getting the cream of the crop. It is part-time work. I have to figure they got the same type of people that we hired when I worked as an asst mgr of a call center. Not the brightest, and not the most motivated. There were flaws with every single survey we ever did because of these people.
ACORN has said they could not throw away the blatantly invalid ones due to voter registration laws. That sounds entirely plausible to me. I can see laws that would have that effect. Rather than allow people run voter registration drives, then pick and choose which registrations to submit, require people to submit them all.
ACORN claims 1.3 million registered voters, with 13,000 workers. They say <1% of the registrations were crap. I can't find any numbers that say otherwise, nor how many states are being looked at. It's not going to be hard for me to believe that 130 (1%) to 390 (3%) of the workers were crap, especially given the wages/nature of the work.
Am I saying ACORN is innocent? No. But I have yet to see any proof that they are guilty of something other than hiring some crappy people, which happens to all kinds of companies.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:27 pm
by GORDON
I really fail to see the necessity of 'voter registration drives' when registering and voting is actually one of the easiest things to do , where the government is involved. As far as I am concerned. So this tells me these groups have their agendas beyond just registering people who are disenfranchised merely out of laziness and stupidity.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:33 pm
by Vince
TheCatt wrote:ACORN has said they could not throw away the blatantly invalid ones due to voter registration laws. That sounds entirely plausible to me. I can see laws that would have that effect. Rather than allow people run voter registration drives, then pick and choose which registrations to submit, require people to submit them all.
I'd be curious to see if they fired the guy that brought in Mickey Mouse's registration before the media got a hold of it. If not, then guilty.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:29 pm
by TPRJones
From what I understand ACORN are the ones that told the election officials "this stack here, these are bad, unless you really think Mickey Mouse lives in Resida" long ago, but the election officials weren't interested in hearing it. Then several months later is when the media picks up on it and the officials act surprised and offended.
I don't know about everywhere, but from my experiences in New Mexico and Texas that chain of events is consistent both with the election laws and the beauracricies that run them.
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:12 am
by Vince
Well, whenever there's something that generally sucks for this country in the last few months, ACRON seems to be in the middle of it. Voter fraud, subprime mortgages, etc.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:59 am
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote:I really fail to see the necessity of 'voter registration drives' when registering and voting is actually one of the easiest things to do , where the government is involved. As far as I am concerned. So this tells me these groups have their agendas beyond just registering people who are disenfranchised merely out of laziness and stupidity.
I'm not saying they don't have an agenda at all. I believe they are registering voters that they think will vote in line with their beliefs. I just have yet to see that they knowingly tried to falsify registration data.
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:26 pm
by GORDON
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:35 pm
by TheCatt
I'm in.
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:36 pm
by GORDON
I'm not voting against Obama. I'm voting against people who do shit like that in support of Obama.
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:12 pm
by TPRJones
I've finally decided to vote Bob Barr.
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:37 pm
by Leisher
The funny part about the pizza thing is that it makes McCain more of a headline than their preferred candidate.
Oh, and let's not forget that it's another example of the left side of politics' love for the freedom of speech.
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:46 pm
by Vince
Leisher wrote:The funny part about the pizza thing is that it makes McCain more of a headline than their preferred candidate.
Oh, and let's not forget that it's another example of the left side of politics' love for the freedom of speech.
Hell, the socialist fucktards are raising hell because of some reporter's imaginary friends yelling "Kill him" about Obama at a McCain rally, yet all the assaults and destruction of property are overwhelmingly coming from the "Hope and Change" crowd. But McCain's the negative and hateful one.
I think the world's insane.
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:12 am
by TheCatt
ACORN worker filed 2,000 fake registrations.
"I regret it. I paid the price for it," he said.
Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud.
Today, he lives with his wife and two boys, ages 3 and 1, in a small apartment in suburban Seattle, Washington. Mitchell said he scammed the system because, "I needed money; I had to support my family and I was new to the area. It was the only job I had."
Mitchell said ACORN threatened to close the office if he and his team didn't meet their quota to register 13 to 20 voters a day. So, without consulting their supervisors, he said, they came up with a plan.
"We came up with the idea: Let's make fraudulent cards. I tell my crew, 'I don't care how you get 'em, just get 'em,' " Mitchell recalled.
So ACORN does pay by the hour apparently, but has registration quotas.