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Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:57 am
by GORDON
Been thinking about it, and I've decided on a position.

Yes, the jet flight tracker is public data, but that's still a stalker move. Stalking is illegal in many actual lawbooks, so it can easily be banned in a twitter TOS which seems to "trump" other stuff.

So yeah, Elon did nothing wrong there.

If people don't like it, they can buy twitter from him and make their own rules.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:19 pm
by TheCatt
Elon violated his proclaimed principles. Which were always just lies anyways. So, yeah, evil being evil.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:23 pm
by GORDON
Rumor has it that someone used it to attack his car leaving the airport, which at the time was carrying his child. I didn't do any research to verify that rumor.

It's stalking.

Your ex girlfriend's route to and from work is public knowledge, as is the street in front of her house where you sit all night and watch her. It's still becoming illegal to do that.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:30 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:23 pm Your ex girlfriend's route to and from work is public knowledge, as is the street in front of her house where you sit all night and watch her. It's still becoming illegal to do that.
Hmm. Stalking, I think, has to involve harassment or a threat or something more than just following to be criminal.
GORDON wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:23 pm Rumor has it that someone used it to attack his car leaving the airport, which at the time was carrying his child. I didn't do any research to verify that rumor.

It's stalking.

Your ex girlfriend's route to and from work is public knowledge, as is the street in front of her house where you sit all night and watch her. It's still becoming illegal to do that.
We should get rid of guns.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:12 pm
by Leisher
TheCatt wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:30 pm Hmm. Stalking, I think, has to involve harassment or a threat or something more than just following to be criminal.
Negative.
TheCatt wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:30 pm We should get rid of guns.
Said the fascist before he rounded up and killed all the Jews straight, white CIS males. :D

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:17 pm
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:12 pmNegative
That's what google told me.
Leisher wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:12 pm “Every record been destroyed or
If we can't trust people with information, we also can't trust them with weapons.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:25 pm
by Leisher
TheCatt wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:17 pm That's what google told me.
Google is not an answer engine.
TheCatt wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:17 pm If we can't trust people with information, we also can't trust them with weapons.
I hate it when you troll with stuff so stupid that it's too obvious.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:54 pm
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:25 pm I hate it when you troll with stuff so stupid that it's too obvious.
I'm serious.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:03 pm
by Leisher
TheCatt wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:54 pm
Leisher wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:25 pm I hate it when you troll with stuff so stupid that it's too obvious.
I'm serious.
K, explain how stalking exists only because of the existence of guns.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:54 pm
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:03 pm K, explain how stalking exists only because of the existence of guns.
I'm saying if you cannot trust people with location information, how can you trust them with lethal weapons?

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:06 pm
by GORDON
TheCatt wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:54 pm
Leisher wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:03 pm K, explain how stalking exists only because of the existence of guns.
I'm saying if you cannot trust people with location information, how can you trust them with lethal weapons?
Because most people can own a gun without abusing it, and most people can have access to data without abusing it. And we take each away when they prove they can't.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:56 pm
by Leisher
What Gordon said. Do you think it's fair that there are a lot of women in the world who think you should be caged because you're just a rapist without a victim?

If someone tracked your kids and posted them on the internet, you'd have no problem with it? Doubtful. How about when the MSM turns on your kids and starts labeling them as the anti-Christ and "literally worse than Trump" (who we all know was already worse than Hitler)? When they start receiving death threats and people are showing up at places they are to vandalize their property and so on?

The quote from my signature doesn't say take away the information, it's about how when used by the wrong people it can be a weapon. Ditto for the tracking of Elon's plane. If I was in his shoes, I wouldn't want that data out there either.

This reminds me of a Tosh joke about this ticket prices being high to keep out a certain element and how he gets death threats all the time. His line is something along the lines of "You can get lucky and find a $20..."

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:38 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:06 pm
TheCatt wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:54 pm
Leisher wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:03 pm K, explain how stalking exists only because of the existence of guns.
I'm saying if you cannot trust people with location information, how can you trust them with lethal weapons?
Because most people can own a gun without abusing it, and most people can have access to data without abusing it. And we take each away when they prove they can't.
OK, so you disagree with the twitter bans?
Leisher wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:56 pm If someone tracked your kids and posted them on the internet, you'd have no problem with it? Doubtful. How about when the MSM turns on your kids and starts labeling them as the anti-Christ and "literally worse than Trump" (who we all know was already worse than Hitler)? When they start receiving death threats and people are showing up at places they are to vandalize their property and so on?
No one was trying to track Elon's kid (the 1 he cares about?)
Leisher wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:56 pm Ditto for the tracking of Elon's plane. If I was in his shoes, I wouldn't want that data out there either.
It's always been out there, and always will.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:56 pm
by GORDON
If you're tracking his vehicles, then you're tracking his kids.

I agree with bannings for illegal activities. Human trafficing, child pornography, stalking, whatever else that's out there and repugnant. Having the wrong political affiliation or opinion about vaccines is not ban worthy, and abuse of power. Trump wasn't allowed to ban trolls, by court order. Twitter could ban Trump for whatever reason they made up.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:57 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:56 pm If you're tracking his vehicles, then you're tracking his kids.
I don't think you are very familiar with him + his kids.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:58 pm
by GORDON
TheCatt wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:57 pm
GORDON wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:56 pm If you're tracking his vehicles, then you're tracking his kids.
I don't think you are very familiar with him + his kids.
I'm actually not, at all. I assume they travel with him sometimes.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:23 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:58 pm
TheCatt wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:57 pm
GORDON wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:56 pm If you're tracking his vehicles, then you're tracking his kids.
I don't think you are very familiar with him + his kids.
I'm actually not, at all. I assume they travel with him sometimes.
He has 10 reported kids, with whom he spends very little time, because he (claims to) work 100+ hours a week.

Elon Musk

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:32 pm
by Leisher
Musk's statement on it: No matter how much time he spends with kids, this isn't the wrong take. I mean, I get it. I wouldn't want half of the U.S. wanting my death, with multiple examples of each side's looneys being more than willing to do it, and knowing where I am and will be all the time.

I still agree it's bad optics and we can debate whether the move is right or wrong for free speech overall, but his reasoning is logical. (And according to courts and those who had power at Twitter up until recently, his choice.)

In a utopia, he's 100% wrong. But do we live in a utopia?

Elon Musk

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:09 am
by TheCatt
"President Biden was at the White House today" - CNN, AP, Fox News, MSNBC, and CBS banned from twitter.

Dude's lost it.

Elon Musk

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:45 am
by GORDON
Level of bullshit news drops 73%. More at 11.