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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:19 pm
by GORDON
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:30 pm
by TPRJones
That's messed up. I don't care if this guy is a piece of crap or not, if that setup is in violation of the law then I don't doubt that every convenience store in the state needs to be investigated.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:06 pm
by TPRJones
Well, I was wrong:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LVIII/570-A/570-A-2.htm
Basically, if you intentionally overhear anything someone else says, whether in person or through pretty much any other methods, then you are committing a crime. Unless this action is taking place in a place of business. If you accidently overhear anything someone says, whether in person of through pretty much any other methods, then to repeat what you have heard to a third party is illegal. If you have a conversation and wish to record it in any way you must have prior consent to do such recordings.
So, even if he told them about the camera, he'd have to get their consent BEFORE doing any recording. So presumably such consent has to be in writing, since you can't record them giving the consent since they won't have given it yet. Note also that the "conversation" does not have to be mutually agreed upon; you could be recording yourself and if someone comes up and shouts into your microphone before giving you consent to record it, they just made you a felon.
It's interesting that this includes, like, hearing the guy next to you at the bar say something and then turning to your friend and telling him. If you do that, you are a felon.
In summary, New Hampshire sucks. Come to Texas, where only one party involved has to be informed of the recording and it's legal.
EDIT: Although, he could make a case for the business loophole, if he can derive some revenue from this event. Then the recording was perfectly legit.
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:58 pm
by thibodeaux
Live Free or...Somewhere Else.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:21 pm
by TPRJones
It's interesting that this includes, like, hearing the guy next to you at the bar say something and then turning to your friend and telling him. If you do that, you are a felon.
No wait, that's a place of business, so that's okay. Oops.
Pretty much the only place it's illegal to do recordings is in your (or someone else's) home. Huh. So much for freedom in the homestead and all that.
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:45 am
by TheCatt
Weird.
NC is a one-party recording state.q
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:53 am
by DoctorChaos
Another time, after someone broke into a camper on their property, Janet Gannon said an officer suggested they were “too rich” for the neighborhood, and should move.
Gotta love law enforcement. Sorta like, 'Jesus, I have to file another report. Just make my life easier.'
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:56 pm
by Leisher
Gotta love law enforcement. Sorta like, 'Jesus, I have to file another report. Just make my life easier.'
Actually I think the cop was implying something more along the lines of "Millionaries don't live in the ghetto, dumbfuck."
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:58 pm
by GORDON
They do if they want cheap property taxes.
The just need to have surveillance systems for protection.
Oh, wait....
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:01 pm
by Leisher
They do if they want cheap property taxes.
Yes, because they want to save a few thousand a year in taxes so they can lose several thousand in theft. Not to mention they want to risk bodily harm.
Talk to anybody that has lived in the ghetto. The homes look like shit on the outside, but if you go in, it's usually nice. Why? Because they don't advertise they have nice things. A well maintained lawn means good shit to steal inside.
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:25 pm
by Leisher
And after reading the article, I have to say that Vermont's recording law is bullshit and the Gannons are morons.
Anyone who read that should be able to tell exactly what kind of people the Gannons are and why their boy is going to jail.
"How many cops does it take to arrest a 15 year old?"
Stupid bitch. He did it with other kids, who could be there, plus you and your husband are there. I mean, why does it take more than one fightman to put out a single house that's on fire?
As for that law, it sounds like some politicians were giving themselves a loophole in case they or their rich supporters got caught doing something wrong.
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:48 pm
by thibodeaux
I think it's New Hampshire, but yes the law is complete BS.
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:38 pm
by Leisher
I think it's New Hampshire, but yes the law is complete BS.
Vermont. New Hampshire. Same thing.
And I'm serious about that law being created to cover someone's ass. Total crap.
I mean if someone filmed the bedroom and it got robbed, the video wouldn't be allowed in court to convict the guy and that is absolute bullshit.
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:40 pm
by Vince
I mean if someone filmed the bedroom and it got robbed, the video wouldn't be allowed in court to convict the guy and that is absolute bullshit.
What if you filmed it without audio?
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:58 pm
by TPRJones
Then it would be legal. It's just audio that is outlawed. Although a very good lawyer could maybe sell an arguement that you could read their lips on the video if they talked towards the camera.
When I bought my wireless camera off of eBay I discovered that eBay doesn't allow for the sale of small wireless hidden cameras if the auction states that the camera also does audio, but it's fine if it doesn't. When I got my camera I discovered it does audio, and there was no mention of that at all in the ad so it was a pleasent surprise. Anyway, I bet this law (and others like it) are why eBay has that rule in place.
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:23 pm
by GORDON
Men arested for videotaping cops on a public street.
The hint I'm getting is that cops don't like being videotaped.
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:27 pm
by Malcolm
The hint I'm getting is that cops don't like being videotaped.
The hell you say. Although, it's fun to have cops getting pissed off for shit they routinely do to people w\ their dashboard cams.
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:56 pm
by Leisher
Men arested for videotaping cops on a public street.
There are a LOT of details left out of that story.
My first question about the article is why were cops arresting people leaving bars? That's illegal. It's entrapment. At least it is here. They can be down the street, but they can't legally watch a bar and grab people who leave it. (At least that's the way I've always understood it.) In fact, while visiting, working at, and driving by bars for years I've never seen any cop ever staked out near a bar HERE. I've seen them go to bars to break up fights and such, but the only DUI arrest I've ever seen take place at or near a bar was in the parking lot of the place I worked. It was 3:30 in the morning, an hour after the place closed. I forget why the cops came in the parking lot, but it was totally unrelated, I think they were called for something. Anyway, some guy passed out in his car after he started it. If I remember, he even had it in drive, but the parking brake was on or something like that.
Anyway, I'd also like to know exactly what the cops were doing undercover. The liquor control act isn't about just busting some drunks. Believe me when I say cops have better things to do and would prefer doing that stuff than doing boring busts on a couple of drunks. If they were busting drunks, there would be no purpose for the three cops to be undercover unless they were there for something other than busting drunks OR they were breaking the law themselves, which wouldn't make a lot of sense since there's no money, power, or promotion to be gained in busting drunks.
And why is it against the law for these guys to be filming? Does New Mexico have some freak laws that I didn't know about when I lived there?
Now them interferring in the bust/sting/arrests IS a crime. So that I understand.
Odd. Odd. Odd. We need more details.
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:36 pm
by GORDON
I hear about cops staking out bars all the time.
In fact, there are frequent "registration/safety" checks on one of the two bridges coming off an island near here. At 2am, when the bars close.
The other bridge is about 15 miles on the other side of the island from where the bars are.
But hey, safety first, I always say.
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:50 pm
by Malcolm
Fuck, I used to know a cop that did just that. Fortunately, he wasn't a cop 'round where I hung.