Apple vs the government

[TPRJones]

I, too, am fine with any solution that cannot be used by the FBI to then open every smartphone they want to. So far the FBI is not interested in such a solution. And their tactics involving invoking the families of the dead at every turn are fucking disgusting.

[GORDON]

Apple working on even harder secutiry, now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016....ck.html

I am actually getting some respect for them.

[TPRJones]

Indeed. This whole thing has been the first time I've had any positive feelings about Apple. Between that and the shitshow of Windows 10, I'm really feeling some fundamental uncertainty. I can almost sort of imagine that maybe one day I might possibly consider getting a Mac computer at some point, which is just weird.

[GORDON]

Right?

[Malcolm]

I can almost sort of imagine that maybe one day I might possibly consider getting a Mac computer at some point

Let me know when Apple makes a real computer and they drop their proprietary hardware bullshit. If I ever have to abandon Windows, it's Linux for me. I wouldn't fuck an Apple with a koala's dick.



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[GORDON]

I can almost sort of imagine that maybe one day I might possibly consider getting a Mac computer at some point

Let me know when Apple makes a real computer and they drop their proprietary hardware bullshit. If I ever have to abandon Windows, it's Linux for me. I wouldn't fuck an Apple with a koala's dick.

At this point with Apple you're paying the premium to keep the government out of your bidness.

[TheCatt]

To be fair, google also said the government shouldn't be cracking phones.

[Malcolm]

I can almost sort of imagine that maybe one day I might possibly consider getting a Mac computer at some point

Let me know when Apple makes a real computer and they drop their proprietary hardware bullshit. If I ever have to abandon Windows, it's Linux for me. I wouldn't fuck an Apple with a koala's dick.

At this point with Apple you're paying the premium to keep the government out of your bidness.

If they think I'm going to wait 4-6 weeks to replace a faulty disk, then I should legally get to take a shit on every Steve Jobs picture at their HQ.

[GORDON]

To be fair, google also said the government shouldn't be cracking phones.

Hasn't it been leaked that.... I may be mixing up my companies. Some communications company let the government have their own server closet so all raw data could be captured by the government, at will.

I'd like to know what actual actions Google is taking with Android and stuff to keep shit secure, even from the government before I truly declare a winner about who likes privacy more.

[TheCatt]

To be fair, google also said the government shouldn't be cracking phones.

Hasn't it been leaked that.... I may be mixing up my companies. Some communications company let the government have their own server closet so all raw data could be captured by the government, at will.

AT&T

I'd like to know what actual actions Google is taking with Android and stuff to keep shit secure, even from the government before I truly declare a winner about who likes privacy more.

Same as Apple.

Then it went to phones, offering Android owners an encryption option starting in 2011. Public pressure from the Edward Snowden NSA revelations (and, perhaps, jeers from Apple) pushed Google further. In 2014, with its Lollipop software version, Google turned on full encryption by default on Android phones. Then, last year, with its Marshmallow software, it required Android handsets to fully encrypt — as long as they were “high-performing” enough to do so.

[GORDON]

So my marshmallow OS is automatically encrypted? I didn't even know that.

[Malcolm]

FBI: if the ruling goes our way, this shit will become commonplace.

It's important for law enforcement agencies to have access to criminals' communications, but the FBI request doesn't seem to have a "limiting principle," said Representative Adam Schiff, a California Democrat. "Is there a way through negotiation that we can arrive at cases where it's appropriate to seek this relief and cases where it's not?"
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If the FBI prevails in the case, Apple would be forced to write new software to defeat the password security on the phone, noted Representative Jim Himes, a Connecticut Democrat.

"Where does this authority end?" Himes said. "Is it the position of the FBI that it has the authority to compel the inclusion of code in a new device?"

The FBI says you should stfu, Jim.

"I would think it's different if you've got two people who've killed 14 folks in a terrorist attack ... versus some divorce lawyer trying to find out who a philandering husband may have been talking to," Representative Lynn Westmoreland, a Georgia Republican. "There is a total difference there, and I think the American people sense that."

I'm guessing, Lynn, you don't know jack enough about legal theory nor shit enough about technology to make that statement.



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[TPRJones]

Of course there's a difference, Lynn, and if the FBI will write down what that difference is and set limits into law then maybe Apple would bend a little. But the FBI doesn't see a difference, Lynn. The FBI wants to do what the fuck ever they want any time they want, Lynn. That's not constitutional, Lynn. That's the sort of thing we shouldn't stand for, Lynn. Even if the cost is that some bad people get away with some bad things. Lynn.



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[TPRJones]

The FBI has nine other phones they also want unlocked in the same way. The NYPD has 175.

http://www.cc.com/video-c....-snitch



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[Malcolm]

Every viable candidate from the "fuck you, big government" party thinks the FBI should be able to decrypt whatever smartphone it wants.

Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, John Kasich and Ben Carson were all asked about the iPhone encryption debate at a debate hosted by CNN and Telemundo Thursday night, and all four of them sided with the FBI. Frontrunner Donald Trump was not questioned on the issue, though he has already called for a boycott of Apple until it complies with government requests to help unlock the handset.

The new face of the Republican party:


And Ted Cruz is a fucking moron.

Sen. Cruz of Texas said he agrees with Apple's "broad policy" that there should not be backdoor access to any iPhone. But he believes that the company should do everything it can to gain access to the iPhone 5c involved in the San Bernardino shooting.

That's like asking for a skeleton key that only opens one door.



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[Malcolm]

Free speech defense. Precedent.

In its defense to the judge, Apple may be relying heavily on the 1999 case Bernstein v. U.S. Department of Justice, which laid the foundations for the concept that computer code is a form of speech protected by the First Amendment. “Under well-settled law, computer code is treated as speech within the meaning of the First Amendment,” reads Apple’s motion, before listing Bernstein as an example.

In Bernstein, Daniel Bernstein, then a University of California, Berkeley, graduate student, was stopped by the government from publishing an algorithm for an encryption protocol he had built. Bernstein was told it could be considered an illegal arms export. Four years after the initial filing, in 1995, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with Bernstein, saying the government’s intervention infringed on the First Amendment.
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Other cases that helped place computer codes under First Amendment protection may be invoked in the Apple case. The 2000 case Junger v. Daley challenged the federal ban on exporting encryption source code, and the decision by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the idea that computer code is a form of speech. “Most of the court actions in those days were about dissemination or bans in exporting code,” Crocker says.

This also isn't the first time the gov't has thought of your property as theirs.

In the 1990s, the National Security Agency developed a chipset called the Clipper that, when attached to a computer, gave the government a spare key to unlock encrypted communications. The NSA’s goal was to attach the chip to every telephone, fax machine and computer in the United States.

“Our policy is designed to provide better encryption to individuals and businesses while ensuring that the needs of law enforcement and national security are met,” reads a statement from former Vice President Al Gore in 1994, introducing the Clipper Chip.

Only if everyone in DC volunteers for a 20-year trial period.



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[Malcolm]

I am continually amazed at the lack of technical knowledge on display here.

“We must find a way for physical security not to be at odds with information security,” Goodlatte said. “Law enforcement must be able to fight crime and keep us safe, and this country’s innovative companies must at the same time have the opportunity to offer secure services to keep our customers safe."

Let me make a statement as stupid as the one above ***ahem ***

"We must find a way for mass not to be at odds with gravity."



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[Malcolm]

US AG is a dumb-ass.

The US Department of Justice did not respond to a request for comment for this story. At RSA on Tuesday, US Attorney General Loretta Lynch argued that the federal government can and should be able to access the data.

"The law has a wonderful elastic quality to cover the issues that develop," she said during a question-and-answer session. "Having the inability to actually obtain evidence that would save lives is a real risk."

As opposed to the risk of handing keys to every device to the FBI? GFY.



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[Malcolm]

The French have an opinion, but no one can hear because they keep running away when they try to talk about it.

[Malcolm]

More idiotic Helen Lovejoy clones are trotted out by the assholes in the gov't.

"He gave his life to protect those he cared about," Pifer explained in an off-camera interview with CNBC. "I'd ask Tim Cook if his response would be different if it was somebody whom he loved that was killed," she said. "—Now, if opening one phone can help provide answers, then yes I want that phone opened."

Those who don't understand the technology at play in this debate are going to fuck over everyone else. I blame slow, scared, intellectually stunted, old people ("old" here meaning anyone above 18).



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