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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:14 am
by TPRJones
I think it's a pretty good demonstration of how things work in the digital realm. Like it or not, a company providing digital services has to have the good will of their customers. Because if you piss them off it's too easy now for individuals to break your systems. Especially if they aren't very good systems to begin with.
In the long run we'll end up with companies that actually care about how their policies and actions will effect consumers at least as much as how they care they will effect their financials. They'll have to if they want to do well.
In the meantime, it's going to be a little messy from time to time.
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:37 am
by TheCatt
No, in the long run will end up with a police state.
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:36 am
by GORDON
"Sony is warning PS3 owners..."
What? I am only finding this info from 3rd parties. Sony isn't warning me of shit, even though I know they have my correct email address. That is more irritating to me than their getting hacked.
http://cyberinsecure.com/sony-pl....-stolen
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:38 am
by GORDON
PSN users reporting their accounts being accessed.
http://vgn365.com/2011....om-them
Skeptical on this one, for the moment. Not ruling it out, just more than 51% skeptical. Maybe exactly 51%.
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:43 pm
by Malcolm
TPRJones wrote:I think it's a pretty good demonstration of how things work in the digital realm. Like it or not, a company providing digital services has to have the good will of their customers. Because if you piss them off it's too easy now for individuals to break your systems. Especially if they aren't very good systems to begin with.
In the long run we'll end up with companies that actually care about how their policies and actions will effect consumers at least as much as how they care they will effect their financials. They'll have to if they want to do well.
In the meantime, it's going to be a little messy from time to time.
The consumers are only empowered until the companies take their security seriously. They'll just invent more and more draconian policies because their absurdly overinflated egos will never permit them to admit they're wrong.
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:51 pm
by Leisher
No, in the long run will end up with a police state.
Agreed.
The problem with these hackers' long term strategy is that they don't care about collateral damage. In fact, they seem to want as much as possible.
To win long term, they have to walk a fine line between attacking "the man", but protecting the innocent workers and customers.
If they piss off everyone, new laws will be easy to pass without public outrage.
If they simply piss off corporations, the public will be more apt to push back against police state laws. It'll be easier for the corporations to actually work on customer service.
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:08 pm
by GORDON
First lawsuit.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20057921-260.html
I guess it is a coincidence that part of the lawsuit states Sony waited too long to notify consumers of the data breach, and I got my very first notification from Sony about it, this morning.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:48 pm
by TheCatt
Yay! Lawyers will get money, you'll get a free year of worthless credit monitoring at best.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:44 pm
by GORDON
How hard would it be to opt out of the class action, and just file a small claims at my local courthouse for max damages allowable?
And by "hard" I mean how likely am I to get something out of it with that minimal effort of just filing and showing up?
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:57 pm
by TheCatt
Can you prove any damages?
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:34 am
by TheCatt
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:09 am
by GORDON
Sony Online Entertainment also hit hard.
http://www.joystiq.com/2011....card-nu
Man, peeps seem to be pissed at Sony.
I wonder if Sony will stop being so shitty.
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:56 am
by Leisher
12,000+ credit cards stolen to protect those who own them from corporate greed...
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:41 pm
by GORDON
Lawyers in Canada have filed a $1 billion class action lawsuit.
http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news....t-filed
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:36 pm
by Malcolm
Never pictured myself saying this but ... go Canada.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:54 pm
by TheCatt
Sony's Reponse to Congress
Highlights:
Protecting individuals’ personal data is the highestpriority and ensuring that the Internet can be made secure for commerce is also essential. Worldwide, countries and businesses will have to come together to ensure the safety of commerce over the Internet and find ways to combat cybercrime and cyber terrorism.
Oh, hai police state
We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named “Anonymous” with the words “We are Legion.”
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:18 pm
by Malcolm
In summary, we told the subcommittee that in dealing with this cyber attack we followed four key principles:
1. Act with care and caution.
2. Provide relevant information to the public when it has been verified.
3. Take responsibility for our obligations to our customers.
4. Work with law enforcement authorities.
Generally, (1) and (3) are things you do to actively prevent a security breach. Forethought's a bitch.
We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named “Anonymous” with the words “We are Legion.
I want independent confirmation of this from someone other than Sony. Their credibility took a nosedive long ago.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:16 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named “Anonymous” with the words “We are Legion.
I want independent confirmation of this from someone other than Sony. Their credibility took a nosedive long ago.
Yeah, I'm not blindly buying that, either. Proof.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:38 pm
by TPRJones
It's meaningless anyway. Even if true, it could be there just to distract, and if not then it's still meaningless because Anonymous is made up of anyone that wants to call themselves Anonymous.
On the up side, if it was indeed Anonymous and this was done as an attack on Sony for the "Other OS" thing, then it makes it less likely that any stolen data will be used for things like identity theft. Not impossible, mind you, just less likely.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 2:40 pm
by smh6921
This is just getting crazy. I just bought the 10 year old a Playstation card for Easter so he could get the game he wanted to get from them online and now this. Every day I hear - why doesn't it work. They are really starting to irritate me - maybe they can start by lowering the cost of their games - like the last one we got at the store was $59.99 and the kids had it beat in a couple days.
