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Posted: **Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:00 pm**

Watching the protests, the masses, the mobs, the riots, against their government.

I'm a little jealous. The first step is always the hardest.

Here's cheers, and I hope y'all can keep your momentum and actually change something.

Posted: **Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:19 pm**

GORDON wrote:Here's cheers, and I hope y'all can keep your momentum and actually change something.

To quote Dave Lister, "Not a dog's chance in hell."

Posted: **Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:03 pm**

I don't know. I saw Iraq's government change in my lifetime. And Afghanistan's. And the Soviet Union's. And Yugoslavia's. And The Socialist States of Obama's.

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Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:20 am**

There's a lot of online technical support to assist the protestors with communication and coordination. It might be enough to help them keep going with this. We'll see.

http://iran.whyweprotest.net/

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:29 pm**

Somewhat NSFW (clip from CNN; blood, death):

http://paulocoelhoblog.com/2009/06/22/iran-by-neda/

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:45 pm**

I ain't counting success till the Iranian prez & his advisers are permanently removed.

A few strategically placed illegal arms shipments in that country could do wonders right about now.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:56 pm**

Malcolm wrote:I ain't counting success till the Iranian prez & his advisers are permanently removed.

If I'm understanding the garbled Google translations right on what's coming out of Iran right now, it's gone beyond that. Who is President is no longer much of an issue. Apparently there's some sort of major split among the ayatollahs, with those wanting to return to a more pure theocracy without all these silly elections backing the sitting Pres, and those wanting to move forward to a western democracy and get away from religious law backing the other guy. None of the major players wants to go back to the way things were before the election, they're both pulling towards the extremes.

And the Iranian people are caught in the middle. As usual.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:05 pm**

Makes it an even better time to pick off some troublesome fundie psychos over there, then.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:28 pm**

Malcolm wrote:A few strategically placed illegal arms shipments in that country could do wonders right about now.

The Leader of the Free World can't even bring himself to say "tyrants are bad," so I don't think we'll be sending any help.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:45 pm**

Today in Tehran.

Got to be honest, I don't think we should. If they do this themselves it will be a lot more ... lasting.

Now, if we were to sneak in and secretly assassinate a few key people and make it look like their own people did it, as long as NO ONE ever finds out about it that would probably help.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:03 pm**

TPRJones wrote:Now, if we were to sneak in and secretly assassinate a few key people and make it look like their own people did it, as long as NO ONE ever finds out about it that would probably help.

Hell, yeah. It's understood that no one ever finds out about it. Surest way for us to kill the rebellion is to support them openly.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:10 pm**

It's refreshing to hear marching protesters in Iran shouting something besides "Death to America". From what I've read the top three chants are currently "Death to the Dictator", "Do Not be Afraid", and "Where is Neda".

http://www.cnn.com/video....osearch

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:15 pm**

TPRJones wrote:Got to be honest, I don't think we should. If they do this themselves it will be a lot more ... lasting.

So we've replaced our long standing tradition of support, even when only verbal, of those who would stand up with tyranny with.... we're afraid of our own shadows. Lovely. That's great progress.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:30 pm**

GORDON wrote:
TPRJones wrote:Got to be honest, I don't think we should. If they do this themselves it will be a lot more ... lasting.

So we've replaced our long standing tradition of support, even when only verbal, of those who would stand up with tyranny with.... we're afraid of our own shadows. Lovely. That's great progress.

Sorry for being unclear, I was refering to the "help" part of your statement. I'm all for denouncing them. I'd need to consider the ramifications, but I think I'd also be in favor of stationing troops all around their borders and providing support to those individuals trying to get out that ask for our help.

But without first having some official or widespread grassroots request for help from inside Iran itself I think driving into Tehran in tanks would do far more harm than good at this point.

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Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:39 pm**

Iran is lucky we don't have a huge military presence in any of the countries on their borders.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:44 pm**

If there is an Islamic jihad apocalypse scenario, it might start like this. Let's see if this "global" fundamentalist uprising they've been threatening for years actually happens. If not, we'll just have to dismantle each psycho state in turn. Might take a couple centuries, though.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:12 pm**

You know, the joke used to be, "Uh oh, they messed up... now we're going to send them a strongly worded letter." Obama won't even go that far.

What a leader.

Better get nationalized health care passed.

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Posted: **Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:19 am**

The Nanny State isn't afraid to meddle.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world....plomats

Posted: **Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:24 am**

This whole situation has got to be a nightmare for Obama's re-election staff.

Posted: **Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:14 am**

I'm sorry guys, but I just don't get it.

Why on earth do you think that we can:

1)Afford to do dick about the situation, the whole point was the pull troops and hopefully cut expenses. You know, to pay for things like fixing banks, economy and health care, you know, stuff we actually care about.

2) Want to help the "oppositions" (same fucking guy) with basically the same beliefs. The last time we did this, didn't the majority party go "hey look America is helping the opposition, if your with the opposition you're with America" and that pretty much ended the whole thing. That was even pre- "everyone hates America" era.

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