The wedding reception I attended the other night... some of the older relatives of my wife were at the table talking about "All I know for sure is that I didn't come from a monkey, that really makes me angry to say that.
I kept my mouth shut, even though what I was thinking, "Not only are you related to monkeys, you are related to amoebas."
But anyway, do you think evolution is how you got here? If you are actually an alien infiltrator, don't vote because you'll screw up the results.
Make a decision
What poll will you have next, about whether the earth is round?
To anyone that accepts that science has a reasonable basis, there is no doubt on this topic. The evidence is monumental in scope. At this point, to deny evolution is to declare oneself as incapable of rational thought.
To anyone that accepts that science has a reasonable basis, there is no doubt on this topic. The evidence is monumental in scope. At this point, to deny evolution is to declare oneself as incapable of rational thought.
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If there's some supreme, divine, all-powerful, omniscient, omnipresent being that created everything, his engineering skills could use some fine-tuning.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I don't know. Think of any other system with all the moving parts and hydralics that the human body has that routinely lasts 70 years.Malcolm wrote:If there's some supreme, divine, all-powerful, omniscient, omnipresent being that created everything, his engineering skills could use some fine-tuning.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Technically they are right we didn't come from monkeys we came from something that branched off to form us and monkeys.GORDON wrote:"All I know for sure is that I didn't come from a monkey,
Of course I know what they are saying and I think they are crazy.
I also find it interesting that evolution is just to radical or impossible of an idea but an all powerful unseen man just making everything isn't too much of a leap.
Any being w\ the power to pull off all that while fucking up some common sense logic is too improbable.Vince wrote:I don't know. Think of any other system with all the moving parts and hydralics that the human body has that routinely lasts 70 years.Malcolm wrote:If there's some supreme, divine, all-powerful, omniscient, omnipresent being that created everything, his engineering skills could use some fine-tuning.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.
Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic parti
It's not me, it's someone else.
Malcolm wrote:If there's some supreme, divine, all-powerful, omniscient, omnipresent being that created everything, his engineering skills could use some fine-tuning.
Guess I stand alone again here. I believe alittle of both. But I do believe in a force. Do I go to any church. NO. But I do believe in something bigger than me came up with this mess. And yes the fine tuning is the answer just because it isn't perfect.
That said 2 things you don't discuss in a bar is religion and politics. I have to be with very close friends for that to happen. That happens once every year maybe. And so for here also. Nuf said.
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Hawking has been rather... odd for a long time.TheCatt wrote:In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.
Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic parti
Isn't gravity a measure of mass? Before the Universe, therefore mass, how would one have gravity?
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
For the record, I will acknowledge the possibility of a Prime Mover, a divine being that provided the initial spark. There's no evidence against such a thing, and I won't show contempt for someone with that sort of belief. It's those people that gleefully embrace ignorance and deny science while at the same time enjoying the technological and medical advances that science provides that get me riled up.unkbill wrote:Guess I stand alone again here. I believe alittle of both.
On the other hand, there's no evidence for a Prime Mover, either, so Occam's Razor slices the issue with me as an atheist. But I won't disrespect you for it if you go the other way.
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Gravity is the warping of space-time. Mass exists in zero gravity.Vince wrote:Hawking has been rather... odd for a long time.TheCatt wrote:In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.
Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic parti
Isn't gravity a measure of mass? Before the Universe, therefore mass, how would one have gravity?
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I'd need to read more to make a judgement; that limited quote is likely missing some key points.
Current theories have the fabric of space being a frothy sea of virtual particle creation, especially where space is most flat. It's not necessarily inconceivable to push that to an idea of totally flat (i.e. no universe) = massive particle creation explosion.
Current theories have the fabric of space being a frothy sea of virtual particle creation, especially where space is most flat. It's not necessarily inconceivable to push that to an idea of totally flat (i.e. no universe) = massive particle creation explosion.
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Happens all the time, it seems. It's just usually they blink back out of existence just as quickly.
And apparently that's where this is coming from. Particles are created and destroyed all the time, the new theory being that they are destroyed because our existence as a universe overwhelms them. Take the universe out of the way, and there's nothing to destroy them again.
It would do odd things to the inflationary theory. Instead of inflation, now you can postulate that the big bang was a simultaneous much larger sea of individual bangs, at every point in that larger region, as all those virtual particles failed to be destroyed upon creation. No more need for inflation, which always struck me as being a bit of a kludgey theory anyway.
I now also wonder if maybe "dark matter" is really the cumulative effects of nearly infinite numbers of particles that almost but not quite exist, dark matter being another kludgey theory that needs help.
And apparently that's where this is coming from. Particles are created and destroyed all the time, the new theory being that they are destroyed because our existence as a universe overwhelms them. Take the universe out of the way, and there's nothing to destroy them again.
It would do odd things to the inflationary theory. Instead of inflation, now you can postulate that the big bang was a simultaneous much larger sea of individual bangs, at every point in that larger region, as all those virtual particles failed to be destroyed upon creation. No more need for inflation, which always struck me as being a bit of a kludgey theory anyway.
I now also wonder if maybe "dark matter" is really the cumulative effects of nearly infinite numbers of particles that almost but not quite exist, dark matter being another kludgey theory that needs help.
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I apriciate that. And I will look into Occams knife. Is that anything like Schroeders Cat?TPRJones wrote:For the record, I will acknowledge the possibility of a Prime Mover, a divine being that provided the initial spark. There's no evidence against such a thing, and I won't show contempt for someone with that sort of belief. It's those people that gleefully embrace ignorance and deny science while at the same time enjoying the technological and medical advances that science provides that get me riled up.unkbill wrote:Guess I stand alone again here. I believe alittle of both.
On the other hand, there's no evidence for a Prime Mover, either, so Occam's Razor slices the issue with me as an atheist. But I won't disrespect you for it if you go the other way.
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
Occams Razor.
Oh, Unkbill Of Oakham. Or as judge Judy says "Keep it simple Stupid" Yes and I am also of a fan of go with your first instinct. It is normally correct.
But when I come up with something hard on a job I need to do. I like the one were I sleep on it. Sometimes that has worked so well for me.
Sometime life is so hard. I can see where some people need faith, And then other people take advantage of it. Jim Jones, Jim and Tammi Baker. I follow my own faith. Led, follow or get the fuck out of the way. Just don't muck up my life sheep.
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Oh, Unkbill Of Oakham. Or as judge Judy says "Keep it simple Stupid" Yes and I am also of a fan of go with your first instinct. It is normally correct.
But when I come up with something hard on a job I need to do. I like the one were I sleep on it. Sometimes that has worked so well for me.
Sometime life is so hard. I can see where some people need faith, And then other people take advantage of it. Jim Jones, Jim and Tammi Baker. I follow my own faith. Led, follow or get the fuck out of the way. Just don't muck up my life sheep.
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In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.