I disagree with you two and agree mostly with Malcolm.
While I do think Ledger was better than Malcolm gives him credit for, I also think the Nolan Batman films are really overrated. And I say that as someone who enjoyed all three films.
But nobody can deny that they had plot holes galore, and this is a fact:
Just three films that happened to have a character which shared a lot with the one I know from print and ink.
I said this in the Dark Knight thread:
They were absolutely brilliant movies that featured Batman, but they weren't necessarily Batman movies.
I've heard that sentiment echoed elsewhere too. It's like Nolan had the stories laid out and then got hired to make a Batman film.
Iron Man did more for the genre than Nolan's Batman trilogy.
Not being racist, but Aquaman rules from the bottom of the ocean. The bottom of the ocean isn't exactly known for its sunlight. So should be fun to explain his dark skin.
The fact that this is a Zack Snyder thing bugs me. It's a red flag. Snyder doesn't work for DC. He doesn't write the books. Hollywood doesn't have a great track record with respecting source material. However, Snyder does as 300 was basically a frame for frame remake of Frank Miller's book. So we'll see...
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:12 pm
by Malcolm
Doesn't matter the ethnicity, it's hard to shake the "pussy" label.
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:20 pm
by Leisher
He's going to crush this role, but I'm still going to laugh thinking about how the guy who rules a kingdom without sunlight, yet somehow he's got tanned skin and dark hair.
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:41 pm
by GORDON
Polynesian ancestry?
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:46 pm
by Leisher
Atlantis came first.
And Aquaman is the product of an Atlantean queen and a honky from the States.
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:47 pm
by GORDON
A woman from Atlanta is probably black, you know.
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:49 pm
by Leisher
Not that kind of Atlantean...
A queen from Atlantis.
Marvel calls them Atlanteans. Should they be Atlantisians?
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:51 pm
by GORDON
I knew what you meant, but the "sunken city of Atlanta" episode of Futurama was on a couple days ago and I was of a mind.
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:55 pm
by Leisher
I did not get that reference. I had completely forgotten about it.
My first impressions.... it looks like kind of a bummer.
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:21 pm
by TheCatt
So... Why are batman and super man fighting?
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:01 pm
by GORDON
TheCatt wrote:So... Why are batman and super man fighting?
Looks like "because bullshit." Looks like there's going to be an religious/ignorance-backlash against Supes, an Batman is going to be involved.
Without knowing anything about it, though, I bet a dollar that Lex Luthor is manipulating public opinion and Bats gets involved. The bits and pieces I've gleaned about Lex, beyond the old and new movies, is that he is a brilliant, manipulative bastard.
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:36 pm
by Malcolm
TheCatt wrote:So... Why are batman and super man fighting?
Unless lex gives bats some kryptonite, that'll be the shortest fight in history. Oh wait, in the last movie I saw, supes was a gigantic vag 99.9% of the time.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:52 pm
by Vince
TheCatt wrote:So... Why are batman and super man fighting?
I think the theory is that a bunch of folks think Superman is great and saved us all from Gen. Zodd. But a bunch of other folks are looking at the death toll and massive destruction from the first movie and thinking he was kind of a dick about collateral damage. And Batman is falling on the side of "kind of a dick".
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:30 pm
by Malcolm
Vince wrote:
TheCatt wrote:So... Why are batman and super man fighting?
I think the theory is that a bunch of folks think Superman is great and saved us all from Gen. Zodd. But a bunch of other folks are looking at the death toll and massive destruction from the first movie and thinking he was kind of a dick about collateral damage. And Batman is falling on the side of "kind of a dick".
Funny, because when I think of "kind of a dick," I think Affleck.
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:11 am
by Leisher
My first impressions.... it looks like kind of a bummer.
I wasn't blown away by the trailer. And yes, it'll be a bummer. "No jokes" policy for all DC films, remember?
So... Why are batman and super man fighting?
Here's the original story. It is excellent. There are a handful of superhero stories that transcend the genre. This is one of them. Basically, it's the future and Superman has lost his way and is being controlled. Bats comes back from retirement to set him straight and without spoiling the end of the fight, he does kick Supes' ass using his tricks and toys.
For this film, Gordo is on the right track. There's going to be folks who aren't exactly thrilled that millions died in Metropolis and that the most powerful being on the planet is an alien. That theme is one that gets explored a LOT in DC comics. It's why Luthor hates Supes, why Batman has backup plans on how to take out every other hero, why the humans eventually turn on super powered beings in the phenomenal Kingdom Come (another one on the list of must reads for anyone), etc. Even Marvel has touched on that theme with their own Billionaire playboy (Iron Man) and member of their primary super team having plans on how to defeat his teammates should they go bad.
Anyway, my guess is that they're going to play up that the government is nervous about Superman (another story line from the comics), cults will form to worship him, folks will be scared of him, etc. So, Batman's going to come after him, whether or not that's via Luthor or the government, who knows?
By the way, heroes fighting before they team up is classic comics by the numbers.
Anyway, I expect once their fight is going on, a baddie will appear and Supes will prove to Batman that he's a genuine good guy (Really well done in the last few pages of The Nail. A pretty cool story about the Kents getting a flat tire and never finding baby Supes.). By the end of the film, we'll have the Justice League or most of it.
If you want to see another Superman/Batman fight where Superman actually the bad guy, read Red Son. That's where Supes landed in Russia, not the U.S.
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:10 am
by Malcolm
Kingdom Come...
That's a character that Mark Waid invented that was really just put to me like come up with the most God awful, Rob Liefeld sort of design that you can.
