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Leisher wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 2:22 pm That's interesting. I wonder how much fine print is currently being changed on OF membership agreements right now?

A person I follow on twitter (naked lady with gnomes from years ago) has friends with OFs. And said that one of her friends tried to interact personally with people, being her true self, and guys we OK with it. Then she switched to "I wish I had ur big cock in me now" "OMG SO HORNY" talk, and it went so much better. Then she just started using an AI bot that would react like that, and made even more money.

Men are so stupid we should almost be declared a protected retard class.

GORDON wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 2:37 pm Men are so stupid we should almost be declared a protected retard class.

*sigh*

Truth.

Incels are truly the most dangerous people on the planet. Easily influenced and manipulated. Amazing how some real life pussy grounds a person.

Leisher wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 3:22 pm Amazing how some real life pussy grounds a person.

My dad said I was a PITA as a teenager until I started getting laid.

Elizabeth Hurley from Bedazzled and Austin Powers.

Troy wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 8:31 pm Elizabeth Hurley from Bedazzled and Austin Powers.

Soon we'll be able to train on AI on many years ago her.

He totally would, but I'm digging that answers like this are becoming more common. We need to bring shame back.

Leisher wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 11:20 am We need to bring shame back.

Why? Shouldn't she be allowed to do what she wants (not harming others)?

That being said, he should also be allowed to not be interested.

In a perfect world, he should be saying that, without malice or judgement. She should hear it without being hurt.

"I'm a slut"
"I'm not interested"
"Ok"

I don't think it's ok that he can force his world view on her.

Leisher wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 11:20 am We need to bring shame back.

Do we? I have no issues with her doing OF. Would I date her? Probably not. But shame is just puritanical BS, imho.

I'm basically fine with the interaction that occurred.

Yes, we need shame back, and no it isn't "just" puritanical BS. (I do understand where you're coming from and would be in your camp against religious driven shame.)

Shame means understanding that you weigh 350 lbs and shouldn't be at the beach in a string bikini.
Shame means going to a gym and working out.
Shame means eating healthy.
Shame means not going on Maury to see which of the 15 guys that ran a train on you is the father of your child.
Shame means not having an affair with your cousin.
Shame means being concerned about what comes out of your mouth because you will be held accountable for it.
Shame means understanding there are consequences for actions.
Shame means having an awareness of self and what that means for your overall life, family, and career.
Shame means not laughing off your lack of basic knowledge and how schools have failed you.
Shame generally means not doing stupid shit in front of people knowing how you will be judged.

Shame is why Lana Rhoades is single despite being gorgeous and a perfect candidate to be arm candy for some millionaire or billionaire. Shame not being more prevalent is why she did porn without realizing there would be long term consequences.

Yes, I'm aware some of those can also be other things, not just shame, but please just accept the intent of my argument.

In this thread, shame can help young women avoid making monumental mistakes. There's a whole lot of drug use, sexual abuse, human trafficking, and suicide that prove my point. And that's NOT saying ALL women should never go this route. Some, like Nina Hartley and Sasha Grey, are mentally built for it. Most women are not, but as a society, we have removed their ability to make that choice properly.

And honestly, there is zero proof that what she is doing isn't hurting others. In fact, I would argue it's far more likely that it is, in fact, hurting others. That sounds puritanical AF, but it's not. I am strictly coming at this from a logical view, not a religious one.

Shame is a motivator to be better.... At least in whatever way society thinks is better. I'd prefer to see more shaming of red light runners.

OF is only smart if it is prosperous, which most of them aren't. And there's a ton of fodder there for future regret, even when they do make money.

Edit - leishet wrote his long post while I was writing mine

So... it's all about "where we draw the line"

It's nothing that should be legislated.

But the freedom to be critical of it is equally as important as the right to do it.

And those sluts need to know that.

GORDON wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 4:17 pm It's nothing that should be legislated.

This.

I'm not advocating for any laws. However, culturally we're falling apart.

Example:
We all know that the % of transpeople out there isn't real, but society has made it cool and acceptable. Still, it's going to come with long term consequences for the people who fall for it and we're already seeing that play out.

Same shit for OF girls. Society has told them to own their sexuality and be a girl boss. Thing is, objectifying yourself to men and publicly giving your opponents as instant "fuck her over" card isn't doing either. There will be short and long term consequences they are not prepared to face. Shame would be a factor in making them think such a decision over a bit more.

Also, did anyone pick up my pop culture reference in my prior post?

Leisher wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 4:48 pm Same shit for OF girls. Society has told them to own their sexuality and be a girl boss. Thing is, objectifying yourself to men and publicly giving your opponents as instant "fuck her over" card isn't doing either. There will be short and long term consequences they are not prepared to face. Shame would be a factor in making them think such a decision over a bit more.

Eh, I think it's fine. Especially if they are just showing off the goods, playing with toys, etc and not getting railed by dudes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy so many are taking off their clothes. I just don't think they're going to live a life free of regret.

OnlyFans getting sued over chatters.

Lots of 'models' on the site use 3rd party chatters to bring in more money. Of course, doing with without admitting it is a violation of US + European laws, so the lawsuits have started. Not sure Onlyfans itself can be liable though, but the models sure should be.

Originally, I didn't feel bad for the subscribers. You'd have to be dumb to think you're legit talking to the models. However, I don't subscribe, so I didn't know about stories like the one in the article.

There is a huge difference between just talking dirty so someone gets off versus making someone think there's a relationship.

On the other hand, hasn't catfishing been a known thing for decades?

I guess we do have laws againt taking advantage of dumb people, though.

I dunno. But it isn't something I would ever do, or be fooled by. It's like first you have to be a desparate idiot to fund an onlyfans model, then you have to go an idiot level deeper to think that chat person is actually her. Like you have to be an Idiot Squared.

I wouldn't do it either, but it's fraud to pretend it's the OF creator when it's not.