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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:30 pm
by Malcolm
TPRJones wrote:
Leisher wrote:Exactly! WTF is with Microsoft and their "every other one is good" cycle?
Maybe Microsoft has accepted that this is inevitable and they've dumped W8 out as quickly and quietly as possible so they can get it out of the way and move on to the next iteration.
I'd say maybe except this one actually matters since they decided to have on UI to rule them all. If ever there were a time to be competent on purpose, this is it. You could drop the next two if you get this one right.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:08 pm
by TPRJones
Honestly, though, it's that they've apparently decided to 1) push up the speed of development cycle so they can sell more copies more often to more people, and 2) completely redo the whole thing in a new way from the ground up. Those two goals do not go together without a lot of expensive competence and nimble management that they don't poses.

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:38 pm
by GORDON
Windows 8: "A Christmas Gift for Someone You Hate."

http://bgr.com/2012/12/06/windows-8-criticism-android-ios/

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:47 pm
by TheCatt
I bought my oldest daughter a laptop for her 6th birthday. It's a touch laptop with Windows 8 installed.

So far I've spent an hour with it trying to configure it for a kid (put in a few simple games, painting programs, remove bad stuff, etc). I wanted to punch it about 3 times.

The touch interface works pretty well for most of it, but the dumbing down gets frustrating when used to doing things other ways. The biggest change is they removed a lot of complexity. So things you're used to seeing and working with are just gone or hard to find.

I have a feeling it will be good for a kid, but it's pretty frustrating for me.

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:04 pm
by Leisher
I've had the same complaints.

The desktop portion is still outstanding, but the tablet side...the "tiles"... is less than what it should be at the moment.

Here's a kicker: Things are different from a PC to a Surface, even though they're running the same OS.

Right now, if I was just comparing the OSs of the Surface and the iPad, and excluding the desktop mode which is KEY, I'd give the nod in intuitiveness to the iPad.

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:51 am
by GORDON
Windows 8 is killing the PC market.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech....eatures

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:03 am
by Leisher
Windows 8 has no business being on normal PCs and laptops. It is simply not made for them. The primary focus of the OS is its tablet features, so why put it on desktops and laptops? Dumb.

Microsoft would have been wise to leave Windows 7 alone and call Windows 8, "Windows Tablet" or something like that.

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:10 pm
by GORDON
I don't see why Win8 can't just have a switch that makes it a traditional desktop. I guess that is why the Win8 guy got fired.

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:21 pm
by Leisher
I don't see why Win8 can't just have a switch that makes it a traditional desktop


Uh...

What do you mean by that?

Have you used Windows 8?

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:23 pm
by GORDON
No I haven't. Is there a switch that turns it into a regular desktop that people know and are comfortable with?

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:46 pm
by Leisher
Well, one of the tiles on that "tablet" screen is one that says "Desktop".

If you hit it, it goes to a traditional desktop, although it does NOT have a traditional Start button.

Windows 8 is honestly not horrible. Everyone I've given a Surface to, LOVES it. Not likes, LOVES. (Of course, these are business users, not people who just want to play Fruit Ninja and watch Netflix.)

Again, the problem with Windows 8 is that they designed it for tablets, and the desktop users are an after thought.

I think Microsoft would be wise to rebrand it as Windows Tablet, and give out free copies of W7 to people who want to downgrade their PCs/laptops.

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:52 pm
by GORDON
The desktop shit is just simple GUI shit. If people want a start button, Microsoft is stupid to tell then no.

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:04 pm
by TheCatt
I'm still trying to get used to it. Tried to print something from IE in W8 the other day, could not find any way to do that on screen. I think I ended up just pressing ctrl-P, but god help those who dont know keyboard shortcuts

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:44 pm
by Leisher
Right-Click on the Screen and Print is listed in the menu that appears.

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:48 pm
by Malcolm
TheCatt wrote:Tried to print something from IE...
Are no other browsers available?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:33 am
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote:Right-Click on the Screen and Print is listed in the menu that appears.
How does my finger right-click?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:34 am
by TheCatt
Malcolm wrote:
TheCatt wrote:Tried to print something from IE...
Are no other browsers available?
It's for my daughter, so for now... trying to keep things simple.

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:55 am
by Leisher
Oh, I didn't realize you're on a tablet.

(Just FYI, what I said works on W8 if you have a mouse.)

Are you on a Surface or something else? Can you bring up the on screen keyboard and hit print screen?

Touch commands for W8.

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:48 am
by TPRJones
TheCatt wrote:How does my finger right-click?
Use your other hand?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:57 am
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote:Oh, I didn't realize you're on a tablet.

(Just FYI, what I said works on W8 if you have a mouse.)

Are you on a Surface or something else? Can you bring up the on screen keyboard and hit print screen?

Touch commands for W8.
Well, I'm not. It was a real PC. But I was using my fingers a the time.

Press and hold, got it.