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Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 4:37 pm
by Leisher
IRS to increase rate of audits on the wealthy (over $10M) by 50%.

I'm ok with it, but not. While I do think it's unfair (and maybe illegal?) to specifically target certain people, logically it does make all the sense in the world. It's stupid to audit the poors and the middle class deals with enough.

Now this I'm 100% behind:
The IRS also plans to triple the audit rates of large corporations with assets over $250 million, as well as increase the audit rates of business partnerships with assets over $10 million by tenfold over the seven-year period.
The bad part:
Despite the expected increases, audit rates won’t exceed those reached in 2010 because the number of filings by large corporations, partnerships and wealthy individuals have grown and become more complex, the IRS said.

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Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 4:41 pm
by GORDON
You ever hear the theory that the poor get audited more is because the poor can't afford tax lawyers?

Hitting the rich by another 50% could conceivably triple their audit costs. I say triple to make the point, could be 10x. Idk.

Rich peeps will tie that auditor up with lawyers.

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Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 5:17 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 4:41 pm You ever hear the theory that the poor get audited more is because the poor can't afford tax lawyers?
Poor get audited mor because it's very easy. Especially with all the EITC fraud.
GORDON wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 4:41 pmHitting the rich by another 50% could conceivably triple their audit costs. I say triple to make the point, could be 10x. Idk.
That's why the IRS wanted more money. To audit rich people, which is hard.

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Posted: Fri May 03, 2024 3:25 pm
by TheCatt
At the same time, the IRS is increasing its audit efforts, with Werfel noting on Thursday that the agency will focus on wealthy individuals and large corporations:

The IRS plans to triple the audit rates on large corporations with assets of more than $250 million. Audit rates for these companies will rise to 22.6% in tax year 2026 from 8.8% in 2019.
Large partnerships with assets of more than $10 million will see their audit rates increase 10-fold, rising to 1% in tax year 2026 from 0.1% in 2019.
Wealthy individuals with total positive income of more than $10 million will see their audit rates rise 50% to 16.5% from 11% in 2019.
"There is no new wave of audits coming from middle- and low-income [individuals], coming from mom and pops. That's not in our plans," Werfel said.

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Posted: Fri May 03, 2024 3:28 pm
by GORDON
The PR sez they're hitting the rich... yay!

But are they still going after the $600 paypal transaction teenager babysitting money? That aint hitting the rich.

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Posted: Fri May 03, 2024 4:13 pm
by TheCatt
That has nothing to do with audits.

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Posted: Fri May 03, 2024 4:23 pm
by GORDON
It has everything to do with PR.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 3:07 pm
by GORDON
Filed in March.

Got notified my return was under review. "If you don't receive an update, call us at *this number* after 60 days."

*That number* was just an automated "your file is under review" number. Idiots.

Couldn't find a custserv number on irs.gov.

Googled another number. Called it.

45 minute hold time. "Oh let me transfer you to the department you need."

Spoke to 2 different people, "Let me get you to the department you need."

Got to that department. 55 minute hold time.

Talked to person. Spent about 8 minutes verifying I was me.

She went away for 10 minutes. Came back. Let me know my return was under review and I would need to verify some documents (I suspect the college refund stuff).

Currently on 15-40 minute hold to make an appointment with the IRS to verify my documents.

Man they should get more money to keep this high level of efficient service.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 3:34 pm
by GORDON
45 minute hold. They need to verify my identity, so now I suspect someone else filed as me or something.

5 minutes on phone verifying i am me.

No appointments available 11 miles away in Toledo, but I can drive 60 minutes to Detroit, or 90 minutes to Lima, OH. Looks like I'm going to Lima.

Currently on a "7 minute hold" while they update this appointment time.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 3:38 pm
by TheCatt
Ugh. It's amazing that this is the "better" than it was.

My state is return is still under review, 1.5 months after submitted.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 3:47 pm
by GORDON
And here's the awesome conclusion:

It was all for nothing. The last person finally figured out that even though the letter said "call in 60 days," what it really meant was call in 120 days, so we cancelled the appointment and I can start over in another 2 months.

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Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 4:41 pm
by Leisher
Government run health care is going to be awesome.

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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:06 pm
by Leisher

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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:42 pm
by TheCatt
They didn't talk about when he dies.

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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:57 pm
by Leisher
They mentioned only taking loans until his death. What happens when he dies?

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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:14 pm
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:57 pm They mentioned only taking loans until his death. What happens when he dies?
Taxes. At a higher rate than if he had sold his stocks while alive.

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Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 11:43 am
by GORDON
GORDON wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 3:47 pm And here's the awesome conclusion:

It was all for nothing. The last person finally figured out that even though the letter said "call in 60 days," what it really meant was call in 120 days, so we cancelled the appointment and I can start over in another 2 months.
Called again. About an hour on hold. After 15 minutes of their working the problem, I was told to call back in December (120 days).

At least they pay (probably small) interest when they're late with the refund.

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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 1:30 am
by Leisher

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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 10:30 am
by TheCatt
"Duh" The rate goes down as income goes down. It aint like 20% of the people are making more than $1 million. 0.5% of the people had 20% of the audits.

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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 2:41 pm
by Leisher
It's an interesting stat based on the increase of agents and their promised targets.