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It's still crazy to me though that the actors who have played Lex Luthor are Gene Hackman, Kevin Spacey, and.... that guy.

That guy was a huge whiff.

TheCatt wrote: BatMans I would take over Affleck: Michael Keaton, Christian Bale, Val Kilmer, and Will Arnett.

You're clearly drunk or baiting. Not even Malcolm would say something so outlandish.

TheCatt wrote: What she did in that movie was not far from the WW movie.

She killed a god in WW easily. In BvS she basically had zero offense.

TheCatt wrote: You didn't bit over there either. And it's not bait. It's truth. I do not understand your love for that flat, predictable movie.

You don't watch probably 1/10th the horror movies I do. Trust me, it's the best horror film in a long time. It's also light years better than the piece of shit this thread is about.

GORDON wrote: I'm not sold on Batfleck, yet.

Ben's a good actor who is a liberal douchebag that gets a bad rap from a time when he was banging JLo. I doubt I could have drinks with him without wanting to hit him, but the guy can act. He's not Nic Cage swinging for the fences with every performance.

Keaton's sucked because Burton made him too much of a cartoon. Kilmer's I have zero recollection of, but I thought his Wayne was garbage. Words not be spoken of Clooney. Bale was a cardboard cutout as Wayne and the bullshit voice was hilariously bad in the suit. Will Arnett IS a cartoon.

TheCatt wrote: For the record, I watched the Ultimate edition, not the original, and that seems to have improved the movie significantly based on that review.

So did I...

Snyder's vision is dogshit and that's why DC is doing three months of reshoots to fix his Justice League.

GORDON wrote: It's still crazy to me though that the actors who have played Lex Luthor are Gene Hackman, Kevin Spacey, and.... that guy.

That guy was a huge whiff.

Fucking amen!!!!

A movie is only as good as its villain.

Leisher wrote:

TheCatt wrote: BatMans I would take over Affleck: Michael Keaton, Christian Bale, Val Kilmer, and Will Arnett.

You're clearly drunk or baiting. Not even Malcolm would say something so outlandish.

You clearly missed Malcolm's post, and you are so amazingly wrong it's not even funny. I can only assume you did heroin on your birthday, died, were revived, then died again, and a hooker is posting for you.

Leisher wrote:

TheCatt wrote: What she did in that movie was not far from the WW movie.

She killed a god in WW easily. In BvS she basically had zero offense.

The Kryptonians are basically gods on Earth. Lex ostensibly took his 1,000 world wikipedia and came up with the most powerful thing he could.

Leisher wrote:

TheCatt wrote: You didn't bit over there either. And it's not bait. It's truth. I do not understand your love for that flat, predictable movie.

You don't watch probably 1/10th the horror movies I do. Trust me, it's the best horror film in a long time. It's also light years better than the piece of shit this thread is about.

I don't watch horror movies, because I have literally never seen a good one, and stopped watching the entire genre. They are terrible. Light years happier than Malcolm is still depressing.

Leisher wrote:

GORDON wrote: I'm not sold on Batfleck, yet.

Ben's a good actor who is a liberal douchebag that gets a bad rap from a time when he was banging JLo. I doubt I could have drinks with him without wanting to hit him, but the guy can act. He's not Nic Cage swinging for the fences with every performance.

Keaton's sucked because Burton made him too much of a cartoon. Kilmer's I have zero recollection of, but I thought his Wayne was garbage. Words not be spoken of Clooney. Bale was a cardboard cutout as Wayne and the bullshit voice was hilariously bad in the suit. Will Arnett IS a cartoon.

A cartoon was better than Affleck, you are correct. Affleck's a good actor, but this role, and his execution thereof, were garbage.

Leisher wrote:

TheCatt wrote: For the record, I watched the Ultimate edition, not the original, and that seems to have improved the movie significantly based on that review.

So did I...

Snyder's vision is dogshit and that's why DC is doing three months of reshoots to fix his Justice League.

TheCatt wrote: You clearly missed Malcolm's post, and you are so amazingly wrong it's not even funny. I can only assume you did heroin on your birthday, died, were revived, then died again, and a hooker is posting for you.

How'd you know about the hooker?

TheCatt wrote: The Kryptonians are basically gods on Earth. Lex ostensibly took his 1,000 world wikipedia and came up with the most powerful thing he could.

Lex was terrible and so was that version of Doomsday that Lex somehow created in a day.

TheCatt wrote: A cartoon was better than Affleck, you are correct. Affleck's a good actor, but this role, and his execution thereof, were garbage.

The fact that you've so far said nothing about how bad Eisenberg was kind of negates your Affleck bashing.

The movie wasn't called Lex v Superman: Dawn of a Shitty Shared Universe.

TheCatt wrote: Another opinion

[Ultimate] is the version that viewers should watch, since the thirty minutes of restored footage make an enormous difference in the overall quality of Snyder’s story and characters

Yeah but is it longer? I don't think I could take that.

Also have to agree that they're doing a terrible job at casting villains. Eisenberg as Luthor was retarded. He acted like he thought he was the joker. Which brings me to Jared Leto....do I even have to say anything?

Gal Gadot is pretty. King Henry's sidekick Henry makes a good Superman; he's got a pretty goddam awesome chin. Affleck...I dunno. If he can't play a millionaire, he'd pretty much be the worst actor ever. I don't think he was as awesome at it as Downey is as Iron Man.

The problem with these core DC characters is they're LITERALLY 80 years old. They've been re-written and re-booted and killed and retconned and adapted for the large and small screen so many times...they're not even characters anymore.

Leisher wrote:
Lex was terrible and so was that version of Doomsday that Lex somehow created in a day.

TheCatt wrote: A cartoon was better than Affleck, you are correct. Affleck's a good actor, but this role, and his execution thereof, were garbage.

The fact that you've so far said nothing about how bad Eisenberg was kind of negates your Affleck bashing.

Lex wasn't good, but... 1) as Malcolm said, not his movie. 2) I have never read a SuperMan comic. 3) I've only ever seen the original SuperMan movies, and only once since I was kid. I had a vague "I don't remember Lex this way," but again - I don't are. All I want is to be entertained. Originalism doesn't matter to me. I think Eisenberg did a good job of executing what was asked of him. What was asked of him, was dumb.

thibodeaux wrote: Yeah but is it longer? I don't think I could take that.

30 minutes longer.

Malcolm wrote: The movie wasn't called Lex v Superman: Dawn of a Shitty Shared Universe.

and

TheCatt wrote: Lex wasn't good, but... 1) as Malcolm said, not his movie.

Quick name a good movie with a terrible villain. I'll wait.

"The villain makes the hero, which makes the movie."

Every movie is the villain's movie. The story is about the hero overcoming the _______. If there's nothing to overcome, the movie suffers.

TheCatt wrote: All I want is to be entertained.

And to be honest, in one way it makes your opinion perfectly valid, and in another makes it irrelevant. I Think you can say "I enjoyed it as someone who knows nothing about it", but after that, I don't think you should be debating the aspects of characters you know nothing about. I mean, are you trying to get hired to direct the next DC film? (Long way to go to get to that punch line.)

TheCatt wrote: I think Eisenberg did a good job of executing what was asked of him. What was asked of him, was dumb.

Well, he's not without sin. It was his choice to make Lex Luthor act like...oh, what's the kids name...Max Landis. Yes, Eisenberg based his Luthor on real life director, Max Landis. So...

TheCatt wrote: I don't watch horror movies, because I have literally never seen a good one, and stopped watching the entire genre. They are terrible.

I forgot this quote last night. If you go into something with the attitude of "This will suck", it's going to suck. I typically hate period pieces and, to a lesser extent, Westerns. I really have to psych myself up to give them a chance before I get bored out of my mind and want to turn it off. I'm like that with one subgenre of horror: ghosts. I'm all out with the ghost bullshit and the rest of the world should be too. I'm tired of boring effects and magical ghosts whose abilities change to match what is needed for the story.

Leisher wrote: I forgot this quote last night. If you go into something with the attitude of "This will suck", it's going to suck.

Not true. I was convinced that Titanic would suck, and I enjoyed it. Same with BvS. Low expectations are easy to exceed.

TheCatt wrote: I was convinced that Titanic would suck, and I enjoyed it.

I just...

Leisher wrote:

TheCatt wrote: I was convinced that Titanic would suck, and I enjoyed it.

I just...

We all know the kinds of things he enjoys sucking.