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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:43 pm
by Leisher
Despite what they're saying WB has been shocked by the reception of BvS.
Yes, I read your post, and I understand your point, but I think your example was pretty extreme. They veered away from the comics, a bit. Not every aspect of his character, but a big one... the gratuitous killing. But they gave an explanation for it in the movie, and I am not... what's the word... married? to the source material, and I can live with it. Old, grizzled batman no longer gives a fuck and is branding people and killing them trying to steal kryptonite.... in order to destroy a bigger threat. Ok. I get what they are saying, and fine.
I think you're 100% wrong. I don't even think there's a gray area where you might be kinda, sorta right. (I don't think you're wrong to enjoy the movie, but I think you're wrong in thinking they only altered the characters "a bit" and that it's ok to do so. I would explain more, but I don't want to put spoilers here.)
They veered away from the comics MASSIVELY, and destroyed three of the biggest, if not THE biggest, DC stories that could have been told on the big screen. (I can't list them without spoilers, which you're spouting off here in the non-spoiler thread pretty blatantly for a guy who doesn't like spoilers.)
You're filling in blanks for Snyder that he doesn't fill in the movie, and quite honestly, destroy the character of Batman. So if you're ok with that, if you really don't give a shit about respecting source material, that's fine, but you can NEVER criticize any form of entertainment going forward if they bastardize the source material.
Point being, YOU might not care about Batman, but you care about other things. I don't know if that's Game of Snores or Hobbit stuff or Starship Troopers or Star Trek or what, but this will come up again (and I'd bet a dollar has previously) where you'll be standing in my shoes on this very argument.
And understand, you're arguing that the Matthew Broderick Godzilla movie was awesome, and who cares if Godzilla was nothing more than a T-Rex lost in New York that had babies, because shitting all over source material is a-ok...
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:59 pm
by Malcolm
THR also speculates that Warner Bros. may be counting on August 5's Suicide Squad as a release that will turn around perception of its DC film universe.
Please tell me there's somewhere in Vegas taking odds on the returns from Suicide Squad. I'd bet five large on that thing flopping like a cheap hooker coming down off a two day meth high.
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:16 pm
by GORDON
Between this and the other thread, I've literally got nothing else to say about it. Consider me shut down.
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:33 pm
by Leisher
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:25 pm
by GORDON
I was just reminded that Batman in the Burton movies had a pretty decent body count.
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:36 pm
by Malcolm
Same for Nolan's movies.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:12 am
by Leisher
GORDON wrote:I was just reminded that Batman in the Burton movies had a pretty decent body count.
Batman killed someone in the Tim Burton directed Batman?
The guy who made the Planet of the Apes with Wahlburg and said of the ending "I don't know what it means. Let whoever makes the sequel figure that out." Amazing he'd get a character wrong 
As for Nolan, he credits Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" as giving him the idea and concept of a Batman that can cross that line. The problem is he apparently can't read...
Batman doesn't kill anyone in that book.
I'll forgive Snyder for the sins of Batman killing and AGAIN making Superman ignorant of all the people dying around him or apathetic to it, IF you admit the movie's pacing SUCKED and Doomsday's translation is the equivalent of the Matthew Broderick movie version of Godzilla. (Or Deadpool from Wolverine: Origins.)
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:00 pm
by Malcolm
Batman killed someone in the Tim Burton directed Batman?
The large black dude he knocked into the bell and dropped down a tower? I think he died. The thugs he blew back to the stone age when he wiped Axis Chemicals off the map? The only Batman I know of that 100% hasn't killed anyone is Adam West.
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:29 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:Batman killed someone in the Tim Burton directed Batman?
The large black dude he knocked into the bell and dropped down a tower? I think he died. The thugs he blew back to the stone age when he wiped Axis Chemicals off the map? The only Batman I know of that 100% hasn't killed anyone is Adam West.
Those things, as well as:
He tried to missile and machine gun Joker from the Batplane in the first movie, but missed.
He also strapped a bomb to a dude in Returns, and smiled as he walked away and the guy blew up.
So now that I think about it, the movies have been always about Bats being a serial killer.
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:09 pm
by Leisher
Read the sentence after the one you quoted.
DC has far more input in their animated films, and I'm pretty sure Batman hasn't killed anyone there.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:34 pm
by GORDON
Well, I only bring it up because suddenly it was a huge deal for this movie, but never brought up in discussing previous ones talking about how the creators didn't have any respect for the franchise. But whatev.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:59 pm
by Malcolm
Leisher wrote:Read the sentence after the one you quoted.
DC has far more input in their animated films, and I'm pretty sure Batman hasn't killed anyone there.
Those cartoons have been ten times as faithful to the comics relative to any batman live action movie.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:01 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Well, I only bring it up because suddenly it was a huge deal for this movie, but never brought up in discussing previous ones talking about how the creators didn't have any respect for the franchise. But whatev.
Hell, in Batman Returns, he kills the Penguin via surface to surface mini-rockets.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:04 pm
by Leisher
GORDON wrote:Well, I only bring it up because suddenly it was a huge deal for this movie, but never brought up in discussing previous ones talking about how the creators didn't have any respect for the franchise. But whatev.
Of the laundry list of things that were wrong with BvS, including multiple other characters not being remotely accurate, this is the one you've chosen to plant your flag in to somehow validate your argument.
We've established Hollywood can't do Batman right. What does that prove exactly? The comics, TV shows, video games, and animated movies seem to get it right.
Also, I'm pretty sure I did criticize the Nolan films. Let's not pretend anyone should have take the previous Batman films remotely seriously.
I mean, you act like I'm the one with the problem because a film maker took massive liberties with a property showing it no respect and creating a bad product because of it. I'm pretty sure other people here have had similar issues with movies...
But whatev.
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:13 pm
by GORDON
Yes, I shouldn't go around planting my flag. This is super serious shit and I am just a mouse in a land of giants. Observation withdrawn.
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:52 pm
by Leisher
GORDON wrote:Yes, I shouldn't go around planting my flag. This is super serious shit and I am just a mouse in a land of giants. Observation withdrawn.
Super serious enough that you've argued it in two separate threads for two weeks or so.
But you're right, it's perfectly ok for YOU to do this about movies, but I can't. I apologize.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:59 pm
by GORDON
Leisher wrote:GORDON wrote:Yes, I shouldn't go around planting my flag. This is super serious shit and I am just a mouse in a land of giants. Observation withdrawn.
Super serious enough that you've argued it in two separate threads for two weeks or so.
But you're right, it's perfectly ok for YOU to do this about movies, but I can't. I apologize.
Hold on let me write 2 pages about why you are wrong.
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:37 am
by Leisher
GORDON wrote:Leisher wrote:GORDON wrote:Yes, I shouldn't go around planting my flag. This is super serious shit and I am just a mouse in a land of giants. Observation withdrawn.
Super serious enough that you've argued it in two separate threads for two weeks or so.
But you're right, it's perfectly ok for YOU to do this about movies, but I can't. I apologize.
Hold on let me write 2 pages about why you are wrong.
How are you even up? It's after 10 p.m.
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:39 pm
by Malcolm
Zing.
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:44 pm
by Leisher
To be fair, he zinged me first and made me laugh.
