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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:02 am
by TheCatt
Vince wrote:TheCatt wrote:GORDON wrote:People are being treated equally. Every place with this issue, Chic Fil A, Hobby Lobby, the pizza place, and the bakery, have all said they have no problem doing business with gay people, they just don't want to take part in their customs and practices.
If you will cater a hetero wedding, but not a gay wedding, people are not being treated equally.
These are private events. If you cater gay weddings but not Scientology events, can you be sued for religious discrimination?
Are there public events for which people get cakes? I mean birthdays, anniversaries, graduations - technically you could pull the "private event" label out of your ass for almost anything.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:04 am
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote:I don't even know what the argument is any more. People should be forced to do shit they don't want to do, got it.
People shouldn't. Businesses should. If you operate a business, you should not disciminate.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:19 am
by Vince
Again, why in the end the religious businesses will win. Because rather than operate against their beliefs they will close. And other businesses that might even have no trouble with catering a gay wedding event will close because they don't like being told how they are no longer allowed to choose who they work for. And when the Facebook and Netflix crowd that are unwilling to risk anything or believe in anything realize their favorite baker shut down over this, they're going to be a little pissed off at the gay Nazis. And the gay Nazis will turn on the Facebook and Netflix crowd because opposition is not allowed. And then we'll see really how few of the gay Nazis there really are.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:21 am
by TheCatt
Vince wrote:Again, why in the end the religious businesses will win. Because rather than operate against their beliefs they will close. And other businesses that might even have no trouble with catering a gay wedding event will close because they don't like being told how they are no longer allowed to choose who they work for. And when the Facebook and Netflix crowd that are unwilling to risk anything or believe in anything realize their favorite baker shut down over this, they're going to be a little pissed off at the gay Nazis. And the gay Nazis will turn on the Facebook and Netflix crowd because opposition is not allowed. And then we'll see really how few of the gay Nazis there really are.
Disagree.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:24 am
by Vince
Until they actually start rounding them up, they'll be fine.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:37 am
by Malcolm
And other businesses that might even have no trouble with catering a gay wedding event will close because they don't like being told how they are no longer allowed to choose who they work for.
Not a bloody chance. They do indeed have a say. A black dude can't be forced to print KKK leaflets or host their website. He can do that specifically because he's black and the clients are members of a certain political organization. If you're being asked to photograph a Voodoo ceremony where they cut the throat of a live chicken and you have a problem with that, you can refuse, even as a biz owner.
If you refuse service for a gay wedding where you'd provide one for a straight ceremony, I'm forced to conclude one of two things:
1) You believe in the bullshit "love the homo but hate the homo actions" line. I already went over my opinion on that one.
2) It's the gay sex. It's non-procreative and some moldy, old book has some moldy, old proclamations against it from millennia ago, and it's something a lot of people seem psychologically hung up on. Many religions use this to make masturbation and condom use a sin. Except the dudes from whom we take our core democratic ideals were what we might call pederasts today. The very idea that your voice should be heard in opposition to the gov't in a public forum with your fellow citizens has its germination in a culture of man-on-boy love.
And when the Facebook and Netflix crowd that are unwilling to risk anything or believe in anything realize their favorite baker shut down over this, they're going to be a little pissed off at the gay Nazis.
No. I'll just take my local hangouts as an example. They aren't looking at this shit and saying, "Well, time to close our doors because we can't pick our clientele." Even if they were in Indiana, I doubt they'd be saying it.
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:39 am
by Vince
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:48 am
by Malcolm
There are certainly extremists overreacting. I ain't with them.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:58 am
by GORDON
Apparently that post got pulled. What was it?
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:59 am
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Apparently that post got pulled. What was it?
I can still see it.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:03 pm
by Vince
GORDON wrote:Apparently that post got pulled. What was it?
There were some formatting issues depending on the browser. Scroll down and you should see it. Tons of tweets supporting a pizza conspiracy theory to get anti-gay wedding money.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:10 pm
by Malcolm
Vince wrote:GORDON wrote:Apparently that post got pulled. What was it?
There were some formatting issues depending on the browser. Scroll down and you should see it. Tons of tweets supporting a pizza conspiracy theory to get anti-gay wedding money.
Let's imagine this is true for a sec, and there's a way to suck money from what most left-wingers would call conservative supporters.
You're telling me they wouldn't exploit the fuck out of it and drain cash from the other side?
"Damn, I need to make rent again this month. Time to set up another false biz and get a fundraiser going."
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:12 pm
by Vince
I'm just going to let that comment stand on its own.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:00 pm
by TheCatt
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:07 pm
by Malcolm
In that student's shoes, I'd show up. Then it'll be the school being a total ass to everyone.
The principal told Love that it wasn’t anything personal and that dress codes were dress codes.
Eat a cock. What about a tux makes it inappropriate for a female?
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:10 pm
by Vince
If they don't have an established dress code for prom I'd say let her wear what she wants. On the other hand, the school gets to make the rules they want for stuff like this. There is no right to prom. Her rights aren't being violated.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:13 pm
by Malcolm
I'll grant there's no right to it, but I'd still show up to make the school follow up on their asshole threat. Or even better, how about asking the students if it's ok, since it's their fucking prom? Sorry the experience would be ruined for the faculty.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:43 pm
by Vince
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:54 pm
by Malcolm
Too much love will kill you, just as sure as none at all.
- Freddie Mercury
That campaign reeks of hippie.
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:17 pm
by GORDON
They are getting annihilated in their comments.