Will there be a car bailout before bankruptcy?

Post by **thibodeaux** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:29 am

First, don't come around here with that "working man vs. the rich" bullshit. It just won't fly here. That may go over in a crowd of "working men" who don't know how to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions printed on the heel, but you're talking to actual educated, thinking human beings here.

Second, whose job is it to insure that I get "fair" pay for my work? Well, that would be ME. I don't expect some mafia thug to intimidate my company into paying me more than they think I'm worth. And if I think I'm worth more than what I'm getting, I'm 100% free to go earn that somewhere else. If the "working man" doesn't like the way the company is treating him, he should quit!

I guess it's tough to think like that when you realize, like "Joe working man," that there's 3 million other guys that can do your job. Sucks to be him! But, see, unlike "Joe working man" who spent all his time in high school not paying attention, I actually decided to spend that time learning stuff.

There's a reason that rich people are rich and poor people are poor: poor people don't PRODUCE. On average, they're stupider and lazier than rich people. This is just cold hard fact.

Post by **TheCatt** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:44 am

Treasury has announced that they will bankroll the automakers until Congress reconvenes. I dont know if that means next year, or what.

But it's fucking retarded.

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Post by **TheCatt** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:46 am

Clarification: Until January/new administration.

Post by **TPRJones** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:49 am

Now all of this having been said, does that mean that without unions auto industry workers would make the same amount they are now? Absolutely not. Without the unions they would make a lot less, and lots of jobs would be gotten rid of. This is NOT because "the CEOs want to screw the little guys", however. This is because many of those jobs are not needed and many of them are horribly overpaid, thanks to strong-arm union tactics. Remove the unions and those things return to sanity.

Bottom line is there are a lot of people making a lot of money they don't deserve thanks to the unions. And all it costs us is a completely gutted auto industry that will never be able to survive except for regular government bailouts. The unions are turning into welfare representatives, with the so-called "hard working" blue collar workers being the recipients of welfare funneled through the corporate structure of the Big 3.

Post by **TheCatt** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:52 am

GMAC may fail today. So, that'd be nice. But I doubt it. Someone will bail that shit out too.

Fuck America.

unkbill · Post by **unkbill** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:52 am

thibodeaux wrote:First, don't come around here with that "working man vs. the rich" bullshit. It just won't fly here. That may go over in a crowd of "working men" who don't know how to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions printed on the heel, but you're talking to actual educated, thinking human beings here.

Sorry some ignorant fuck like me decided to tell you your wrong. Being you are so book learned and all. You need to look up out of your books and look around.

unkbill · Post by **unkbill** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:57 am

thibodeaux wrote:Second,
There's a reason that rich people are rich and poor people are poor: poor people don't PRODUCE. On average, they're stupider and lazier than rich people. This is just cold hard fact.

That is the biggest load of horseshit I have ever had the misfortune to read.

Post by **TheCatt** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:27 am

unkbill wrote:
thibodeaux wrote:First, don't come around here with that "working man vs. the rich" bullshit. It just won't fly here. That may go over in a crowd of "working men" who don't know how to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions printed on the heel, but you're talking to actual educated, thinking human beings here.
Sorry some ignorant fuck like me decided to tell you your wrong. Being you are so book learned and all. You need to look up out of your books and look around.

Where's my bailout, unk?

Mommy Dearest · Post by **Mommy Dearest** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:37 am

TPRJones wrote:
unkbill wrote:...the CEOs will make sure the workers recieve fair pay...
Now you're just saying absurd bullshit and claiming that is what we are saying when we aren't.

The market will make sure workers receive fair pay. If the pay is not good enough, people will take other jobs, and that company will have to raise wages to attract workers until the wages are fair. This isn't the 1800s when people had to take whatever job they could because they had no mobility. It's time to join the 21st century already.

Mobility comes with workers being able to afford to move. I do not think that is a good example. It could very well come to that.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:12 am

unkbill wrote:
thibodeaux wrote:Second,
There's a reason that rich people are rich and poor people are poor: poor people don't PRODUCE. On average, they're stupider and lazier than rich people. This is just cold hard fact.
That is the biggest load of horseshit I have ever had the misfortune to read.

And this is why people are poor. They don't want to believe that wealth actually has to be created, and it has to be created by THINKING.

The poor are parasites living on the wealth created by their betters. The "working man" would starve to death if someone with a brain hadn't created a way for the "working man" to use his labor to create something of value. The labor itself has no value.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:14 am

unkbill wrote:Sorry some ignorant fuck like me decided to tell you your wrong. Being you are so book learned and all. You need to look up out of your books and look around.

I'm sorry you either didn't have the brains or the character to get an education. But the fact that I did, and am not ashamed of it, does not mean I don't know anything outside of books. Only a fool would sneer at education as you are doing.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:17 am

But let's not get off topic or anything. Remember this? Only 8.2% of private sector employees are represented by unions. Are you telling me that 90+% of "working men" in this country are getting shafted, since they're not unionized? That seems pretty unlikely.

Unions are a racket. Period.

unkbill · Post by **unkbill** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:25 pm

thibodeaux wrote:
unkbill wrote:Sorry some ignorant fuck like me decided to tell you your wrong. Being you are so book learned and all. You need to look up out of your books and look around.
I'm sorry you either didn't have the brains or the character to get an education. But the fact that I did, and am not ashamed of it, does not mean I don't know anything outside of books. Only a fool would sneer at education as you are doing.

Only a fool would let themselves be sneered at by the booklearned because I did not to finish college and took another road.

unkbill · Post by **unkbill** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:31 pm

TheCatt wrote:Where's my bailout, unk?

Don't know. Don't even know if the bailout of Detroit is right. But I do know that Toledo is going to get creamed if the big three go under. Toledo host the Toledo Jeep plant and many satilite companys. My bailout would be if those people keep working and fixing up thier homes in the spring.

unkbill · Post by **unkbill** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:43 pm

TPRJones wrote:Now all of this having been said, does that mean that without unions auto industry workers would make the same amount they are now? Absolutely not. Without the unions they would make a lot less, and lots of jobs would be gotten rid of. This is NOT because "the CEOs want to screw the little guys", however. This is because many of those jobs are not needed and many of them are horribly overpaid, thanks to strong-arm union tactics.

I have no idea where everyone thinks there is a guy with a broken nose at the table when the contracts are signed.
This is the chance to get rid of the unions. Execs can do it with government aid. Unless you think men in trenchcoats will come and kill thier familys.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:45 pm

unkbill wrote:Only a fool would let themselves be sneered at by the booklearned because I did not to finish college and took another road.

First, it's "himself," not "themselves." English: do you speak it?

Second, I know lots of people who never went to college, and I respect them---lots of them in family, as a matter of fact. But I don't respect people who assume that having "book learning" means a person is unworldly. That's the mindset of someone who KNOWS he's ignorant, and is jealous of those who are not.

unkbill · Post by **unkbill** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:08 pm

thibodeaux wrote:
unkbill wrote:Only a fool would let themselves be sneered at by the booklearned because I did not to finish college and took another road.

First, it's "himself," not "themselves." English: do you speak it?

Second, I know lots of people who never went to college, and I respect them---lots of them in family, as a matter of fact. But I don't respect people who assume that having "book learning" means a person is unworldly. That's the mindset of someone who KNOWS he's ignorant, and is jealous of those who are not.

Would it be themselves if I were refering to a group. Not that I much care.
Change the quote to only an idiot would let himself be fucked with because a booklearned person doesn't like his outlook on reality.

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Post by **TPRJones** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:14 pm

Makes sense, if he's and idiot it means his outlook on reality is probably already fucked.

WSGrundy · Post by **WSGrundy** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:24 pm

thibodeaux the nerve!

We all know that people are poor because someone else steals from them. Just like people are stupid because their teachers didn't make them learn and there wasn't enough money spent on their school. Not to mention that people are fat because McD's and Burger King sell food at such a cheap price and since the little guy has no money he has to buy their unhealthy food.

Where the hell do you get off suggesting that that people are poor because of their own choices and decisions!

Don't forget the crackheads who are victims of the CIA!

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unkbill · Post by **unkbill** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:31 pm

TPRJones wrote:if he's and idiot

What the fuck does that mean. Oh we only do spelling on people that didn't go to college.
Maybe I just don't like to be patronized by people that think they are fucking smart. So now you can win the arguement by calling me a troll that is disruptive because I don't agree with you. Bite me.