I'm certain that if I went out and looked at polling done by groups as blatantly partisan and deeply biased as the Center for Security Policy that you are quoting I could find polls that tell you any damn thing you want to hear. I mean, according to polls done by the Tobacco Institute cigarettes never done no one any harm, so obviously that must have also been true.
Do you have similar stats from some less sleazy source? Because those numbers are more likely to be blatant propaganda than legitimate polling.
There's no chance 80% of the Christians in this country vote for measures that harsh. Shit, 80% of our gov't right now is probably some stripe of that faith.
No, I don't think 80% of the Christians in this country would vote for death to homosexuals; probably not more than about 5%. But the fact that 80% of our government is already based on the Christian faith is my whole point. I find it very likely that 80% of Muslims would also like to make some laws based on their faith but again most (except about 5%) would skip the parts about putting people to death. Just like the Christians. Ignoring your bogus poll quotes, so far I still see zero difference between the two.
EDIT: Okay, one potential difference: bacon. But as much as I love bacon it's not really worthy of all the hoopla.
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No, I don't think 80% of the Christians in this country would vote for death to homosexuals; probably not more than about 5%.
The numbers I quoted were for full-on sharia death penalties. That shit was supported wholeheartedly by those in favour. It's not some fringe under 10% minority. Over 50% of American Muslims think that being gay is enough to warrant death, and that's not even counting all the other batshit insane things which are codified. Let's even say their numbers are way off and it's below 50%. I'll even give them a 100% error margin. 25% of the demographic is still disturbing. Answering "yes" to that question should mean you're ineligible to live in this country. If the man in the sky gets your loyalty more than the ground 'neath your feet, freedom obviously isn't your thing because you enjoy letting other people think for you. Go live somewhere else until your brain matures.
But the fact that 80% of our government is already based on the Christian faith is my whole point. I find it very likely that 80% of Muslims would also like to make some laws based on their faith but again most (except about 5%) would skip the parts about putting people to death.
Our 80% Christian gov't still has separation of church and state in writing, and has since damn near the beginning. I don't deny there's a fuckload of legal theory based on Judeo-Christian ethics, but the line looks to have been drawn at more reasonable places in general and they're loosening as time goes on. The Supreme Court just gave Texas five across the eyes for trying to move reproductive services and personal privacy backwards in time under thinly veiled moralistic reasons.
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Let's also point out that "these terrorists weren't Muslims" never seems to include all the Muslims that randomly murder their daughters or their wives or those of other people because they committed some offense to the religion, or worse, were Christian.
When the Saudi religion police shoved those girls back into their burning school because they weren't wearing their headwear, I didn't hear a lot of "they weren't true Muslims". Or when those Christian schoolgirls were decapitated.
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"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
The numbers I quoted were for full-on sharia death penalties. ... Let's even say their numbers are way off and it's below 50%.
Until I see another more credible source I'm inclined to believe they didn't even do any polling and made them up completely. That's how shady your source is. You might as well be quoting TMZ as your reliable source.
Maybe the numbers are correct, but I find that to be less likely than the stories printed in the National Inquirer being 100% true. That's why I see no reason to discuss them until they are corroborated.
Our 80% Christian gov't still has separation of church and state in writing, and has since damn near the beginning. I don't deny there's a fuckload of legal theory based on Judeo-Christian ethics, but the line looks to have been drawn at more reasonable places in general and they're loosening as time goes on. The Supreme Court just gave Texas five across the eyes for trying to move reproductive services and personal privacy backwards in time under thinly veiled moralistic reasons.
If your point is that our country is more progressive than a third-world country in the Middle East, then I am indeed inclined to agree with you. But this is about the individual Muslims and Christians, not the governments of the world.
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If your point is that our country is more progressive than a third-world country in the Middle East, then I am indeed inclined to agree with you. But this is about the individual Muslims and Christians, not the governments of the world.
My point is that even Muslims in the US, in spite of living in exponentially more secure, stable, and liberal place than other countries in that graph, cling to their stone age beliefs.
America, 58% of Muslims say criticism of Islam or Muhammad not protected under free speech, "Wenzel Strategies (2012): 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment. 45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not). 12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death. 43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims. 32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
The fact that any of those reaches over 5% is pathetic. Maybe they interviewed a shitload of new immigrants, who knows.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Nope, still not buying it. Now you are linking to CARM of all places who are getting their data from CFSP, random wordpress blogs, and Breitbart? Seriously? I guess you just believe any random shit someone posts online, don't you. If I didn't already know you better I'd think you were one of those people that believes everything Trump tell them, too. What's wrong with you today?
There are a couple of legitimate sources (CBS and the Toronto Sun) with things about Muslims in North America listed, but in both cases they are news stories that are just printing a direct quote from yet another absurdly dubious source. There are a couple of references to Pew Research that are probably legit but they 1) show stats that are worlds better than what you are claiming here, and 2) are about nations in Africa so aren't relevant to our discussion. There are some other good sources on that list but all of them I clicked through to either the results of the poll were intentionally skewed to be interpreted as negatively as possible or they outright lied about what they were linking to (in one case they linked to a poll that showed the exact opposite of what they claimed it said).
Maybe they interviewed a shitload of new immigrants, who knows.
Only if their own assess are new immigrants, because that's the source for most of the stats you quoted.
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GORDON wrote:In other words, there is no data that is going to convince TPR that Christians aren't equally as bloodthirsty as Muslims, pound for pound.
The Christian PR department is lucky as shit the Crusades took place before automatic weapons and explosives were en vogue. Course, so's the other side. I am further suggesting some motherfuckers are stuck in a time warp and empirical evidence points in one direction this day and age in terms of "what major religion is producing the largest number of dangerous (to others) fundie psychos." They ALL produce some, but one's leading the pack. It doesn't help that it's the dominant faith in many places of shitty economic, political, or social scenes. I can't seriously consider most of them to be even second-world countries. I am not suggesting a correlation between that and the specific faith because history has shown brainwashing comes in many flavours, even Neapolitan. But it is the current world geopolitical situation. Maybe a trendier belief system will come along and replace Islam in those places if local clerics/warlords think there's a better means to further their agenda. They could all convert to Scientology, Wicca, Douchebagism, or Honey Badger Don't Give a Fuck-ism tomorrow for all I know or care. If they did, the proper Muslims in the world might heave a sigh of relief that all the pricks gravitated somewhere else. I really don't think it'll be tomorrow, though, and I don't think anyone would be polite or direct enough to name their religion with anything close to an accurate moniker.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
GORDON wrote:In other words, there is no data that is going to convince TPR that Christians aren't equally as bloodthirsty as Muslims, pound for pound.
Not at all. But the particular sources he's quoting are as trustworthy as asking a rabid lefty democrat what the average Republican voter is like.
Honestly I think he's trolling me.
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Ask the dudes who still can't go in the Dome of the Rock.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I'll ask the Israelis who can't go to Iran, Afghanistan, most Gulf states, and many parts of London and France. They're less likely to kill me for being an unbeliever.
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I think until we all come to the realization that the "radicals" among Islam are the ones wanting to reform the religion, we are going to be pulling out our dead from places.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Vince wrote:I think until we all come to the realization that the "radicals" among Islam are the ones wanting to reform the religion, we are going to be pulling out our dead from places.
Fuckin' please. Wacko radicals from every religion want reform.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."