So NOW you want a strong federal government?GORDON wrote:Isn't there a federal law she falls under, though?TheCatt wrote:As far as I can tell, what she did is illegal in the state of Washington, and the couple has every right to sue.
I had some sympathy for the Indiana pizzeria, given that no actual discrimination occurred. I have none here.
She failed to be excellent to others.
Indiana's freedom of religious discrimination
It's not me, it's someone else.
GORDON wrote:Malcolm wrote:If you want legal status as a biz, then you follow the rules set by the gov't.
And it's illegal to not work within the government's rules if you want to run a business.
Like I said, you can be a self-employed freelancer all you want. You are within your rights then. There is no Constitutional guarantee anywhere about protections while owning and operating a biz anymore than there is about sexual orientation related to marriage. The federal RFDR does not allow a biz the same rights as an individual. Indiana's does in theory, which is why all this shit is going on. The fed's case was related to Indians doing peyote, on their own time and in their own house of worship. Not during work.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I'm asking about what is, not what I want.TheCatt wrote:So NOW you want a strong federal government?GORDON wrote:Isn't there a federal law she falls under, though?TheCatt wrote:As far as I can tell, what she did is illegal in the state of Washington, and the couple has every right to sue.
I had some sympathy for the Indiana pizzeria, given that no actual discrimination occurred. I have none here.
She failed to be excellent to others.
I take it by your answer that yes she's covered, but still not excellent and deserving of financial ruin.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
I'm asking about what is, not what I want.
The federal RFDR does not allow a biz the same rights as an individual.
No, there's no federal law she falls under.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
It will be interesting to see where we are in 4 or 5 years. We're probably about to give 20-40 million Hispanic illegals amnesty. The Hispanic community is generally very macho and very Catholic. Two things that will be against the grain of the current pro-gay trend.
Another factor I think will be that the economy will more than likely have tanked hard by then. And I suspect that the fed has reached the end of what they can do to prevent a hard rebounding from everything they've been manipulating for the last 20 or so years. I fear the next correction will be worse than the last one in '08. Also, there's a good chance we'll be in the third big global conflict and Americans tend to get pretty socially conservative when things like that happen. Lots of churches filled up the first couple of years after Sept 11th.
Another factor I think will be that the economy will more than likely have tanked hard by then. And I suspect that the fed has reached the end of what they can do to prevent a hard rebounding from everything they've been manipulating for the last 20 or so years. I fear the next correction will be worse than the last one in '08. Also, there's a good chance we'll be in the third big global conflict and Americans tend to get pretty socially conservative when things like that happen. Lots of churches filled up the first couple of years after Sept 11th.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Liberals ask how a baker can believe that making a cake for a same sex wedding violates his conscience, but they don’t think about how the standard they are setting is that the government now gets to determine the validity of individual beliefs.
http://townhall.com/columni....1980933
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
You can believe whatever you want. But your business cannot.GORDON wrote:http://townhall.com/columni....1980933Liberals ask how a baker can believe that making a cake for a same sex wedding violates his conscience, but they don’t think about how the standard they are setting is that the government now gets to determine the validity of individual beliefs.
It's not me, it's someone else.
The Hispanic community is generally very macho and very Catholic.
Yeah. Because no gay dudes ever put out a song about macho men.
Soon the Bible will be considered hate speech and banned.
There are more than a few Old Testament sections that are nothing but Hebrews murdering the shit out of other cultures because they believed in different gods. I wonder what a Baal worshipper or generic polytheist might think of that.
Liberals ask how a baker can believe that making a cake for a same sex wedding violates his conscience, but they don’t think about how the standard they are setting is that the government now gets to determine the validity of individual beliefs.
Nope. Her beliefs aren't in question in a vacuum here. It's her beliefs in conjunction with her running a biz. There is no federal law nor civil right to do that with impunity like there is when you're in a church.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
If the contract's fulfilled, yeah. There's probably not a lot preventing you from getting someone to make and deliver a widget on your behalf. There are any number of winkwinknudgenudge ways around this.Vince wrote:A thought occurred to me on the way in to work today. Could you sub contract the homosexual wedding business out to someone that didn't have religious objections to it?
Gay couple: So, we're having a fancy dress party this weekend for us and a hundred or so friends and acquaintances. We need a four-tier cake.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Did Ricky Martin's career go up or down after he came out?Malcolm wrote:The Hispanic community is generally very macho and very Catholic.
Yeah. Because no gay dudes ever put out a song about macho men.
There are more than a few Old Testament sections that are nothing but Hebrews murdering the shit out of other cultures because they believed in different gods. I wonder what a Baal worshipper or generic polytheist might think of that.Soon the Bible will be considered hate speech and banned.
Nope. Her beliefs aren't in question in a vacuum here. It's her beliefs in conjunction with her running a biz. There is no federal law nor civil right to do that with impunity like there is when you're in a church.Liberals ask how a baker can believe that making a cake for a same sex wedding violates his conscience, but they don’t think about how the standard they are setting is that the government now gets to determine the validity of individual beliefs.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Did Ricky Martin's career go up or down after he came out?
If you mean his American career, it was dead after we all got over La Vida Loca. If you're talking his overall career, especially in Latin America ...
He has sold over 70 million albums (the most updated figure is 85 million), and has had 95 platinum records, six #1 Billboard albums, 11 Number 1 hit songs, two American Music Awards, six Grammy Awards, eight World Music Awards, ten Billboard Music Awards, eight MTV Music Video Awards, with concerts in more than 60 countries across the globe.
... I'd say his career didn't give a fuck. Furthermore, can you find a Ricky Martin fan that didn't think he was gay before he came out?
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Ended up near a million. [url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/06/gay-woman-who-donated-20-to-christian-owned-indiana-pizzeria-reveals-why-she-took-bold-sta nd/]More on the gay woman that donated the $20.[/url] Also one of the best reasoned defenses of them I've seen to date.Vince wrote:Up to about $499k now. And a couple of homosexuals appear to have donated as well.
As a member of the gay community, I would like to apologize for the mean spirited attacks on you and your business. I know many gay individuals who fully support your right to stand up for your beliefs and run your business according to those beliefs. We are outraged at the level of hate and intolerance that has been directed at you and I sincerely hope that you are able to rebuild
“My girlfriend and I are small business owners, and we think there is a difference between operating in a public market space and then attaching the name of your business to a private event,” she said. “Like, if we were asked to set up at an anti-gay marriage rally, I mean, we would have to decline.”
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
we think there is a difference between operating in a public market space and then attaching the name of your business to a private event
The law says otherwise. I'm still trying to figure out the "attachment" part. Are they displaying your name on a banner somewhere? Additionally, I think it's rather logical that a gay person would be anti-anti-gay; that's diametric opposition. Are you saying that the religious biz owners and gay engaged couples are similarly at odds? An anti-gay marriage activist, the dude doing the preventing in this case, is out there doing something to minimize the chances of two dudes or two chicks getting married. The analogy doesn't follow through. The gay folk getting married are not directly assailing Christianity or any other faith by their actions, unless gay people getting hitched is predicted in your apocalypse. They just want their goddamn wedding.
EDIT: correct analogy is a Flanders being asked to cater something like a black mass. Then yeah, he has every right to refuse.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."