Christianity and Judaism are lucky they got their murdering done before technology birthed YouTube and modern weapons.
My point was that "culture" is more than just what you believe. Where you live counts for a lot, as does your social standing, and a fuckload of other things.
Islam - the thread of peace and tolerance
All the perpetrators on that massive list should be sought, detained, and punished. This I agree with.
But to also punish others for their crimes by labeling all Muslims as bad is just un-American. Innocent until proven guilty is an important principle and we should not abandon it out of fear. The terrorists seek to have us do just that, throwing away our liberties and ideals because of fear. That's where the name "terror"ists comes from, after all. If you persecute all Muslims based on the actions of some you have surrendered to the terrorists. I see no way around that simple fact.
But to also punish others for their crimes by labeling all Muslims as bad is just un-American. Innocent until proven guilty is an important principle and we should not abandon it out of fear. The terrorists seek to have us do just that, throwing away our liberties and ideals because of fear. That's where the name "terror"ists comes from, after all. If you persecute all Muslims based on the actions of some you have surrendered to the terrorists. I see no way around that simple fact.
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GORDON wrote:It's all a poisoned well of faerie tales and has produced nothing but hate and anger for hundreds of years. Exterminate.
Sounds like some other major western religions I know about that had a few centuries of a head start or more. And the Muslims are the reason the dark ages weren't a total wash in the west. I'd go as far as to say the Wahhabists need to be obliterated. Then there's this other school of outdated thought.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
But to also punish others for their crimes by labeling all Muslims as bad is just un-American.
Ha!
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
There is a bit of difference in that one group of people have chosen a profession and the other group of people are mostly there by birth. But then I don't think anyone here has ever said all cops are bad, either. Just an unfortunately large minority, which is also true of Muslims.
Nice try, but they aren't parallel. :p
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Nice try, but they aren't parallel. :p
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There is a bit of difference in that one group of people have chosen a profession and the other group of people are mostly there by birth.
We disagree there.
But then I don't think anyone here has ever said all cops are bad, either.
Am I the only that doesn't have Malcolm blocked?
I generally agree with your assessment of Muslims, but I disagree that's its a small percentage. I think far more Muslims than estimated either carry out acts of terror, would be willing to, or support it. I think a larger number quietly watches without objecting, and they're just as guilty.
Does that condemn them all? No. But they are definitely behind the times. It's funny that Malcolm talked about how great it was for Christians that they did their shit before YouTube because I think that evolution is a big part of what's going on. You've got a culture of people who are way behind the rest of the world in almost every way. Them mixing in with the rest of the world is almost certainly not going to be smooth.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I agree. I would also say that far more cops than you estimate either are actively corrupt, are too incompetent for the job, or abuse their authority. I think a larger number quietly covers for them, and they're just as guilty.
Does this condemn them all? No. But here's where we diverge: I don't advocate for holding all cops responsible for the bad ones. Just the bad ones and the ones that cover for them. With Muslims you'd prefer we take actions that bring all the rest of them into it as well, no?
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Does this condemn them all? No. But here's where we diverge: I don't advocate for holding all cops responsible for the bad ones. Just the bad ones and the ones that cover for them. With Muslims you'd prefer we take actions that bring all the rest of them into it as well, no?
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I disagree that's its a small percentage. I think far more <s>Muslims</s> cops than estimated either carry out acts of <s>terror</s> brutality, would be willing to, or support it. I think a larger number quietly watches without objecting, and they're just as guilty.
We can ride this merry-go-round all day.
You've got a culture of people who are way behind the rest of the world in almost every way.
The western world hit the Renaissance and hasn't stopped riding that crest yet. That started right around the time the predominant Muslim empire not consumed by lunacy (the Ottomans) started to show cracks and decline. When they were busying bottoming out, the fanatics in the Middle East, like the Saud family, were on the rise. Their mode of thinking has been medieval since forever and it set a fucking tone that moderation will not tolerated. All the levelheaded people in that region of the world tend to wind up in prison or dead. There's always the option of bugging the fuck out. Those are doors #1, #2, #3 for most of them. It doesn't matter which one they pick, their local Monty Hall always wins because the madmen have less opposition no matter what.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Well, you're not exactly representing my stance correctly TPR. I've got a response typed up, but I'm internally debating whether or not I want to be dragged into another "cops are evil" discussion. I've got to run around my work site for an hour or two, so I will see how I feel when I return.
(I just decided that if I do, it'll be in a different thread to keep from derailing this one.)
In the meantime, here's a really good article about Muslim immigration in Belgium.
(I just decided that if I do, it'll be in a different thread to keep from derailing this one.)
In the meantime, here's a really good article about Muslim immigration in Belgium.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
It's true, I don't know exactly what your stance is. I presume it's not the full Trump ("close our borders to all Muslims"). What specific actions would you advocate the government take towards this problem? Perhaps the only really difference we have in the you-vs-Muslims and me-vs-cops comparison is the specific manner we complain about them, not so much how we'd actually treat them.
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Close borders to all Muslims. Also close all mosques, and make it illegal for more than 5 of them to gather without an observer to make sure religion is not being discussed. Inconvenience worked for smokers.
Also apply to christians and scientologists and any other group that wants to get together and talk about their shared delusions.
That's way beyond Trump.
Also apply to christians and scientologists and any other group that wants to get together and talk about their shared delusions.
That's way beyond Trump.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Systemized gang rape in Burundi, a 75% Christian nation in Africa.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I'm sure they're just tourists.
And I did decide against posting my response right now. I'm not feeling well and I don't want to start the weekend with a long post that I'm sure will get a debate going. Perhaps another day...
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And I did decide against posting my response right now. I'm not feeling well and I don't want to start the weekend with a long post that I'm sure will get a debate going. Perhaps another day...
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"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Saw some crazy stat the other day that 75% of all rapes on some northern European country were committed by their 2% muslim population. Norway or something.Malcolm wrote:Systemized gang rape in Burundi, a 75% Christian nation in Africa.
So that's my rebuttle.
Since I'm closing the borders anyway, though, no more muslims, and no more peeps from Burundi.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
So that's my rebuttle.
You claim the 2% of Muslim residents make up near 100% of the state security forces headed by a born again Christian dictator?
He vowed that if his enemies continued to pursue violence, they would be beaten with the aid of God and "scattered like flour thrown into the air".
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."