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Fucking god. Just my fucking god.
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 expanded the traditional goal of universal service to include increased access to both telecommunications and advanced services – such as high-speed Internet – for all consumers at just, reasonable and affordable rates. The Act established principles for universal service that specifically focused on increasing access to evolving services for consumers living in rural and insular areas, and for consumers with low-incomes. Additional principles called for increased access to high-speed Internet in the nation’s schools, libraries and rural health care facilities.

"After these systems closed, consumers in these rural areas saw a reduction in competition as their only choices for video service became DirecTV and Dish Network," [ACA Senior VP of Government Affairs Ross] Lieberman said. "Given the rise in programming costs, we are likely to see even more system closings in the coming years. Moreover, we’re also likely to see more small cable systems controlling costs by dropping programming, particularly independent programming."

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Malcolm wrote:
GORDON wrote:FCC says net neutrality = more taxes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic....-tax-on
What the fuck?
No no, a Republican said it, not the FCC. ;)
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This is not unexpected and in no way surprising. That's part of declaring ISPs a common carrier, yes. Everyone will pay a couple of dollars more a month in federal fees. But that's still better than the alternative (in the short run at least, in the long run ... but I won't go into that again).



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Look at what the FCC did to Edward Armstrong and the FM radio. This will be the same, with the added benefit of the feds controlling content. Maybe not immediately, but soon. They're already talking about it.
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The gov't can suck my left nut if they want more money. Stop pissing away the dollars already stolen from me every fiscal year. If the exceptionally shitty, pro-monopoly, anti-competition ISPs weren't allowed to buy congressional votes, this fund wouldn't need to exist because rates would be cheap and service reasonable.



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[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fec-c ... -regulatio
n-like-pacs/article/2548163]FEC chair warns that conservative media like Drudge Report and Sean Hannity face regulation --- like PACs[/url]
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Supreme Court would destroy that. In less than a day.
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Like they stood up for private property rights with Kelo vs City of New London? They didn't destroy the fairness doctrine in radio. Took Reagan to do that. We're becoming really stupid on this stuff.

I remember people having strokes because Microsoft was transmitting system info back HQ when Windows was installed (was that XP?). Now we've got iPhones that use you fingerprint to unlock it. You just GAVE your fingerprint to Apple.

So in order to prevent a problem that at this point in time doesn't even exist, we're willing to give this sort of power to the FCC? And then hope the Supreme Court prevents any sort of over reach? Are we insane?

I use a Roku and stream Amazon and Hulu at home. Never experienced any issues. We're playing right into their hands.




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I just want Google Fiber to speed their shit up and get into my neighborhood. They can have part of my house.
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You just GAVE your fingerprint to Apple.

Those fuckers have a cult of personality that would make Stalin and Mao jealous. Their customers don't operate basic on logic.

Like they stood up for private property rights with Kelo vs City of New London?

I don't see what land property rights have to do with service-agnostic data transmission. Eminent domain is also bullshit.

Look at what the FCC did to Edward Armstrong and the FM radio.

RCA bought the FCC and used it to regulate the FM band. Corruption. Corruption never changes.
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Vince wrote:...with the added benefit of the feds controlling content.
Not a chance. If the feds try to do that no one will look at their websites and if they try to block things they don't like the blocks will be hacked so fast only old people will ever be stopped by them for more than a few moments.

The tech here is too strong to be controlled by any one government. The only thing a government can do in this realm is completely cut off their people from the rest of the world or try to individually police and arrest the citizens for their online thoughtcrimes. Both would lead to a nearly immediate revolution.
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The revolution better come in the next couple years so it can still be blamed on Bush.
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Is it fair to say that the FCC wants to make internet providers behave like cable companies?
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TPRJones wrote:Not a chance. If the feds try to do that no one will look at their websites and if they try to block things they don't like the blocks will be hacked so fast only old people will ever be stopped by them for more than a few moments.

The tech here is too strong to be controlled by any one government. The only thing a government can do in this realm is completely cut off their people from the rest of the world or try to individually police and arrest the citizens for their online thoughtcrimes. Both would lead to a nearly immediate revolution.
They don't have to individually police and arrest citizens. Just the first dozen or so in a very public way. Keep in mind that all this is coming about because some people are afraid they might not be able to get uninterrupted Netflix streaming. Do you think that group is really going to be willing to sacrifice something important like their freedom?
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TheCatt wrote:Is it fair to say that the FCC wants to make internet providers behave like cable companies?
In as much as "do what we say and donate shit tons of money to our campaign war chests or we'll regulate you out of business", yes.
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Vince wrote:
TheCatt wrote:Is it fair to say that the FCC wants to make internet providers behave like cable companies?

In as much as "do what we say and donate shit tons of money to our campaign war chests or we'll regulate you out of business", yes.

As opposed to letting a few companies shove everyone else out of the market and merge into megacorps?




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Malcolm wrote:
Vince wrote:
TheCatt wrote:Is it fair to say that the FCC wants to make internet providers behave like cable companies?

In as much as "do what we say and donate shit tons of money to our campaign war chests or we'll regulate you out of business", yes.

As opposed to letting a few companies shove everyone else out of the market and merge into megacorps?

And you think that WON'T happen under federal regulation? The cable companies are already heavily regulated. Why do you think we only have a handful of them now? That's what makes it easier. That's when the marketplace goes away and crapitalism takes its place. You seem to be under some impression that the federal government is in any way looking out for you or looking to keep things "fair".

Please give me three examples of megacorps today.




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Why do you think we only have a handful of them now?

They bought the politicians.

Please give me three examples of megacorps today.

Diageo, the liquor gods.

AB InBev, the beer gods.

<s>Clear Channel</s>, iHeartMedia, Inc., the AM/FM radio gods.




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Why do you think we only have a handful of them now?
They bought the politicians.
Exactly. And regulating those industries make it that much easier for them to buy "regulations" that their smaller competitors can't afford and force them out of business. Edward Armstrong is a great example of that from the days when regulation was just really starting.

All three of the megacorps you listed are in heavily regulated industries. About the only two that are megacorps that aren't heavily regulated that I can think of are Google (but they're already in the feds pocket) and Amazon.
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All three of the megacorps you listed are in heavily regulated industries.

Yeah, must be why I hear the uproar over flavoured malt beverages the same way I hear it about e-ciggies. That must be why tobacco companies can't advertise on TV but booze companies can.




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