Normally for an Amendment it goes thru channels. Then all the states have to ratify it. How about a reverse Amendment. The states proclaim the government stop spending of all construction projects. Only enough to finance the postal service, there asses, welfare, etc. No foreign aid no more pork barrel just run the government until there is zero deficit and some surplus.
If that makes me Tea Party oh well. It is about time. It is all going to collapse someday. Why not put the foot down now?
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Maybe that is what we need. Hope it doesn't come to that but something has to shake things up. Things have changed. 1% with 99% to go. So as far as I am concerned it is business as usual in DC.GORDON wrote:You sound like an advocate for states' rights.
That didn't end well last time.
That isn't Tea Party as much as it makes you a Confederate.
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
Years ago, the feds started superseding state & local authority. Damn man, not only are the horses gone, the barn burned down. Going to shut the door ain't an option.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
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You would need cohorts at every level of government in order to keep the fed from bringing force to bear, especially in the fed.
The US government is such a behemoth that... I don't think it is possible to change, any more.
The most realistic path I can see is a President and congress willing to just start cutting programs, and giving up power. Things could actually get done. But when was the last President and Congress we had anxious to give up power?
The US government is such a behemoth that... I don't think it is possible to change, any more.
The most realistic path I can see is a President and congress willing to just start cutting programs, and giving up power. Things could actually get done. But when was the last President and Congress we had anxious to give up power?
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
It's pathetic when that's the best thing to hope for.GORDON wrote:The most realistic path I can see is a President and congress willing to just start cutting programs, and giving up power.
I mean, why do people become federal politicians in the first place? Because they crave power and influence. No way is someone going to work their way up there and get what they want just to give it up.
In America 2.0, we need to do something about that. Anyone who wants to run for office should be immediately disqualified. The details of that may need some work, of course.
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That's it, Fantastic thought. We need MORE Government. It is already so big it is in danger of collapsing in on itself like a black hole. Lets feed the animal until it implodes in on itself and then we can start America 2.GORDON wrote:The US government is such a behemoth that... I don't think it is possible to change, any more.
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
You'd need some sort of ingenious system which by a cadre of key politicians out-politic the rest of the chaff. The other half would come trying to implement some reforms in the quickest, most efficient manner possible.
Much as I hated J. Edgar Hoover, he had compromising info on goddamned near everyone, which in turn gave him power over lots of folk. You'd need about a dozen Hoover-clones or equivalent thereof to kick this off. Problem is that while the Hoovers of the world are spectacular at gathering info, they're the last people you'd trust with it.
I'm sure someone said the same shyte about the Romans, British, the Chinese, etc., in their heyday.
Much as I hated J. Edgar Hoover, he had compromising info on goddamned near everyone, which in turn gave him power over lots of folk. You'd need about a dozen Hoover-clones or equivalent thereof to kick this off. Problem is that while the Hoovers of the world are spectacular at gathering info, they're the last people you'd trust with it.
The US government is such a behemoth that... I don't think it is possible to change, any more.
I'm sure someone said the same shyte about the Romans, British, the Chinese, etc., in their heyday.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Their own policies, more than anything, brought them down.Malcolm wrote:I'm sure someone said the same shyte about the Romans, British, the Chinese, etc., in their heyday.The US government is such a behemoth that... I don't think it is possible to change, any more.
I see a lot of similarities of path between the downfall of Rome and the current United States.
The fall of Rome caused the Dark Ages. Lets hope we don't need to do that again... but I bet we do.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Considering the leaps and bounds in technology and commerce that were made in the Renaissance that followed, it'd be interesting to see what came out of that cycle.GORDON wrote:Their own policies, more than anything, brought them down.Malcolm wrote:I'm sure someone said the same shyte about the Romans, British, the Chinese, etc., in their heyday.The US government is such a behemoth that... I don't think it is possible to change, any more.
I see a lot of similarities of path between the downfall of Rome and the current United States.
The fall of Rome caused the Dark Ages. Lets hope we don't need to do that again... but I bet we do.
Their own policies, more than anything, brought them down.
Dissertations have been written on that subject. Not exhaustively, either.
The fall of Rome caused the Dark Ages. Lets hope we don't need to do that again... but I bet we do.
People still argue over exactly when the Roman Empire & Rome fell or if they ever did, really. Or whether to consider the Western & Eastern halves separately. That's just semantics, though. It's not a question of need. This country will be no more some day. If you're talking about redoing the entire notion of what we call "government", yeah, that might require some serious shyte to go down; something destructive, brutal, bloody, & long enough to stick in the society's memory beyond a couple generations.
Considering the leaps and bounds in technology and commerce that were made in the Renaissance that followed, it'd be interesting to see what came out of that cycle.
Considering the amount of knowledge we lost during the Dark Ages, I'd rather not find out again. Europe didn't have to get dragged through that shit for centuries in order to end up better off in the long run.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
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Malcolm wrote:Considering the amount of knowledge we lost during the Dark Ages, I'd rather not find out again. Europe didn't have to get dragged through that shit for centuries in order to end up better off in the long run.
Foundation! A nice by-product is by making it a religion we can not pay taxes.
Wadda mean? Other people can read this?!
With Bill Gates as Harry Seldon.DoctorChaos wrote:Foundation! A nice by-product is by making it a religion we can not pay taxes.Malcolm wrote:Considering the amount of knowledge we lost during the Dark Ages, I'd rather not find out again. Europe didn't have to get dragged through that shit for centuries in order to end up better off in the long run.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Hell, naw.GORDON wrote:With Bill Gates as Harry Seldon.DoctorChaos wrote:Foundation! A nice by-product is by making it a religion we can not pay taxes.Malcolm wrote:Considering the amount of knowledge we lost during the Dark Ages, I'd rather not find out again. Europe didn't have to get dragged through that shit for centuries in order to end up better off in the long run.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Double & triple hell naw. We ain't got one.GORDON wrote:Seldon was big because he developed Psychohistory. Who is our modern day equivalent... Rush Limbaugh? Karl Rove?
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
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