The [s]First[/s] [s]Only[/s] Second Trump term

[TheCatt]

Had the Bureau of Labor Statistics released its monthly nonfarm payrolls report, economists surveyed by Dow Jones expect it would have shown a decline of 60,000 jobs and an unemployment rate increase to 4.5%.

Although...

ADP National Employment Report: Private Sector Employment Increased by 42,000 Jobs in October

Both are ungood.

[Leisher]

4% of Amazon.

What percentage is 600K?

[TheCatt]

4% of Amazon.

What percentage is 600K?

I think 40%. Do it.

[Leisher]

Trump's going to keep out the fatties.

Credit where it's due, I think I like this one.

[TheCatt]

Trump's going to keep out the fatties.

Credit where it's due, I think I like this one.

To be fair, I proposed this first!

[Troy]

Does anyone disagree that Trump has some nasty stuff In the Epstein files AND had Epstein killed in jail?

And further - there is basically nothing anyone can do about it until he leaves office? Which he might just die before that happens.

Wild.

[Troy]

Read some stuff from the new federal prison Maxwell is at it’s wild as hell. Acting like she owns the place and ordering wardens around. I don’t know what other possible reason to treat a pedophile madam like this could be. That woman should be suffering everyday until she croaks.

Maddening, but we’re powerless to do anything, so… yay.

E: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... n-sentence

[Leisher]

Does anyone disagree that Trump has some nasty stuff In the Epstein files AND had Epstein killed in jail?

I disagree. However, that's because you really exaggerated that "and" to make two questions one question.

If you left it at two, I'd say:
1. If you asked me to place a wager on it, I'd bet yes based solely on his recent behavior. Look back in this thread and you'll see Catt and I discussing how insanely guilty it makes him look to suddenly change course and start calling this a hoax.
2. I need to see some actual proof of him having Epstein killed, because this sounds like hate and hope, not based on any actual facts. But, I do say that as someone who firmly believes Epstein was killed, and someone had to give that order.

If you'll indulge me, let me explain why that's where I am even after the release of the emails today:
1. Trump is a narcissistic, entitled douchebag who has never heard "no" and believes he can do anything. We can all agree on that, right? Hell, even people who voted for him would agree (yes, even before voting), aside from the most ardent MAGA cultists. Point being, I put no potential behavior past anyone like that.
2. The emails released today, despite the claim that they were new, were not new. They had been made public before in 2024. The only difference is today the victim's name was redacted. (Confirmed all over the place.
3. The victim's name was redacted this time because it's Virginia Giuffre. She is on record as saying she never witnessed Trump doing anything wrong.
4. The House Rs voted today to end the government shutdown, which passed thanks to some Ds crossing the aisle pissing off the DNC. A shutdown that CNN polling says already wasn't a win for Ds, and they certainly didn't want Rs to get the credit for ending it.
5. 2,3, and 4 are not a coincidence.
6. It's well known that Trump ended his friendship with Epstein and banned him from all Trump buildings when Epstein's "business" went public. NOT proof of innocence, but interesting.
7. Trump campaigned to release the files, but changed his tune to a hoax recently. NOT proof of guilt, but it doesn't look good.

I'm left wondering, even if the files exonerate Trump from pedo shit, could there be other illegal business dealings, or something else that makes him look bad. Epstein and Maxwell's emails about him seem to indicate something. Did he do something? Was he innocent of that, but knew and did nothing? Did he profit from it somehow? One thing that stands out to me is reports that Epstein pulled some girls from one of Trump's resorts. Is that the link that Trump is afraid of?

Whether he did something, profited, or knew and did nothing, ALL are enough to get him to lose all support. Hell, it might be enough that we get President Vance.

There's no name of any rich and famous person that would shock me being in the list. At least, I don't think so. The names I fully expect to be on the list right now are Trump (client or conspirator), Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, and that billionaire that was paying to keep the records sealed.

Still, none of this is a defense of Trump. Right now it seems like he's obviously hiding something.

I want all the files. I want justice for the victims. And I want the rich and famous to be shown that they will be held accountable for their actions like anyone else.

It appears we might be getting that soon.

[Cakedaddy]

The are too many names on the list with the power to have someone killed in prison for me to say "it was definitely Trump". He'll, I would bet their were multiple plots in play to make it happen.

[Troy]

Siri - who was the head of the federal government when Epstein died in Federal prison?

Motive, Opportunity, obvious Cover up after the fact. Y'all believe what you want.

[TheCatt]

I really want to know who Trump is protecting, if not himself. Feels likely it's himself, right? But if it's not... who?

[Troy]

I really want to know who Trump is protecting, if not himself. Feels likely it's himself, right? But if it's not... who?

It's him, because the lies across the board, are used to protect HIM. Remember when they denied Trump signed Epstein birthday card, by saying Trump never doodled? And then there's like extensive documented history of his doodling? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/18/us/p ... stein.html

[Cakedaddy]

Siri - who was the head of the federal government when Epstein died in Federal prison?

Motive, Opportunity, obvious Cover up after the fact. Y'all believe what you want.

So every death in federal prisons are ones that he ordered?

I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying there are a lot of other people who would want to, and had the power to. So it would be hard to figure out 'the one'.

[Troy]

That's not remotely what I said, and doesn't fit into the Motive, Opportunity, post-event Cover-up that I noted earlier.

e: Things are getting pretty hot for Trump right now, sure hope he doesn't start a war with a South American country no average American gives a shit about to muddy the water.

[Cakedaddy]

I said there were a lot of names on the list, and you responded with "who was the head of the federal government when [he] died". This lead me to believe you were implying whoever was the head of the government is responsible for deaths in federal prisons. Or that only that person can order deaths. I guess I don't know what you meant by the Siri query then.

[Troy]

I do agree that others had motive, but not sure about opportunity. I do feel it’s a hard thing to say with any clarity, and the further we get from the act, the ability of anyone to unfuck what the 3 governments in charge(R-D-R admins) may have done fades significantly.

The Epstein list was partially released in abstract, so we know generally some of the other people, former politicians, actors, finance, Prince Andrew etc. none of them had remotely the same ability to do it, or as much to lose at the time, as the sitting President.

What if I re wrote my thesis to “IF Epstein was murdered, of the people we know that were exposed on his list, Trump is the most likely front runner to be responsible based on power, motive, and signs of cover up after the fact.” ?

[Cakedaddy]

I mean, the mob had Bulder killed in a federal facility. I don't think it's hard to have people killed in them. These people just had the power to make it cleaner. The mob wants to send a message, so it's going to be obvious what's going on. This needed to be clean, like a cover up. Hell, I bet the mob could even be behind it and paid for by a long list of people. I'm confident the mob is capable of a clean hit.

I'm just not convinced that Trump is the leading suspect. There are a LOT of people with a lot to lose.

[Troy]

I don't think the mob nowadays is anywhere close to as powerful as it was depicted in the Godfather eras, or when they offed Jimmy Hoffa, those days are way over. More like the Sopranos eras.. yelling "the good times are behind us" and fighting over crumbs.

Tellingly the Warden of the federal prison was chastised by Barr at the time... and then quietly moved to the leadership of... i just looked it up... another Large Federal Prison. That's... interesting.

[Troy]

Actually my unholy research today has me back at 50/50 that he really did kill himself.

He took a private phone call right before he died, which shouldn't have been allowed. Oh, to be a fly on that line. THAT IS out the godfather.

[TheCatt]

Congress released a cache of documents this week that were recently turned over by Epstein’s estate. Among them: more than 2,300 email threads that the convicted sex offender either sent or received between 2008 and 2019.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/the ... _permalink