Doctors / Healthcare

[TheCatt]

Rhian was kept in for monitoring overnight - and even tried to discharge herself after a few hours in hospital.

However, later that night Ffion received a phone call at 2am from her mum to say Rhian was unresponsive and to urgently come to hospital.

The stress comment was September 2020. She died in March 2021 while in the hospital being monitored. And the comments were only made after other common conditions were ruled out from testing. It's not like they did nothing.

[Leisher]

A local hospital sent me home twice thinking I had kidney stones. On the third visit it was emergency surgery because the blood clot causing the issues and had basically killed my left kidney was a danger to release and outright kill me.

They are very lucky I'm not litigious.

Doctors and human beings and human beings make mistakes. Add onto that the ridiculous cost of tests and whatnot and it all equals a system where doctors are encouraged to rush to conclusions.

[GORDON]

The company that health insurance companies outsource to deny claims is actually called EvilCore.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/07/health/e ... index.html

EviCore markets itself to insurance companies by promising a 3-to-1 return on investment — that is, for every $1 spent on EviCore, the insurer would pay out $3 less on medical care and other costs. EviCore salespeople have boasted of a 15% increase in denials, according to the investigation, which is based on internal documents, corporate data and dozens of interviews with former employees, doctors, industry experts, health care regulators and insurance executives.

[Leisher]

United Healthcare CEO assassinated.

This was 100% targeted and the shooter appears to be an expert. By the grainy video, it looks like he had a silencer too.

So, place your bets. Is this a hired gun brought in by a mad investor, a pissed off wife (I just assume he's cheating), someone on the board with aspirations, or is this a father/husband/son who is sick and tired of the bullshit of insurance companies?

My bet is the last one.

Wild card is that it's Bernie Sanders.

The biggest question now is does this start a new trend? And in all seriousness, an earned one. This was bound to happen. You would have to be a complete idiot to not see such a possibility. Haven't they made movies about this very thing?

And to be clear, this is not a condemnation of these companies' right to make money. Just pointing out the reality that most Americans live pay check to pay check and many families go homeless, bankrupt, watch loved ones die, etc. because of medical costs/bills. Having these companies rake in massive profits while medical costs are completely unaffordable for most people will inevitably lead to violence.

Really tough line to walk celebrating profits while denying patients life saving/improving treatment. If I was the CEO, I would downplay earnings announcements as much as possible.

[Leisher]

I don't follow financial stuff like Catt, so...Catt, is this true?

[TheCatt]

It might be true, but "investors losing millions!" when the company has a market cap of $540 BILLION sounds like noise in the grand scheme of life. The investigation stuff certainly seems to be true, but the impact to investors doesn't seem massive.

[Leisher]

The CFO just showed me the claim denial rate for the major insurance companies. Guess who was #1 at 32%...

[GORDON]

And to be clear, this is not a condemnation of these companies' right to make money.

I condemn the federally protected middlemen that stand between regular people, and health care.

[Leisher]

Kind of amazing how much they know about this guy just from surveillance cameras.

Big Brother is indeed watching.

[GORDON]

Elon tweeted how aghast he is that people are now lusting for CEO blood. That we should be fellating CEOs because the world doesn't work without them.

It's the most out of touch thing I've ever heard him say.

[TheCatt]

Elon tweeted how aghast he is that people are now lusting for CEO blood. That we should be fellating CEOs because the world doesn't work without them.

It's the most out of touch thing I've ever heard him say.

He puts out something out of touch every day.

[GORDON]

I said what I said.

[TheCatt]

I said what I said.

It's certainly what CEOs believe of themselves.

[Leisher]

I said what I said.

It's certainly what CEOs believe of themselves.

This.

They don't live in our reality and the people around them are too afraid to suggest otherwise.

Kevin Smith tells a good story about Prince telling his assistants he wanted a giraffe. The problem was that it was the middle of winter in Minnesota. They couldn't tell him why it was an impossible task. I don't remember if they managed to pull it off or they distracted him with something else, but it shows how out of touch people at that level get.

Doesn't mean they're bad people or malicious. Just that they are far, far removed from our reality.

[GORDON]

Been seeing a lot of interesting analysis about this assassination.

No one is going to be dumb enough to "ha ha don't miss next time" on this one... But I just read a msm piece about how the guy deployed an AI to deny claims, with about 1 second of analysis each

Congress is going to step in and put a stop to that

And since they won't cap profits, everyone paying for medical insurance is soon going to be paying 30% more when the 30% of denials all stop.

Because for some reason we all accept a massive middleman between us, and our doctors.

[TheCatt]

with about 1 second of analysis each

Admittedly, a computer can do a lot in 1 second. I was reading about the AI a couple of weeks ago, my understanding was that ALL AI denials are human-reviewed afterwards.

According to the PSI's report, a UnitedHealthcare committee approved using "Machine Assisted Prior Authorization" to speed up the process of reviewing medical requests in April 2021. The committee was told doctors or nurses still had to verify the evidence, but testing showed the technology could cut review time by 6-10 minutes, the report said.

UnitedHealthcare tested a new "HCE Auto Authorization Model" in early 2021, and internal meeting notes revealed that it produced "faster handle times" for cases. But there was also an increase in the number of cases that were denied due to the system catching errors that were missed in the original review, according to the report. The report said the committee voted to tentatively approve the model at a meeting a month later.

This says "review the evidence" so a bit unclear.

[GORDON]

People don't care that the AI is doing denials at a much more efficient pace.

They care that their mother's doctor said she needed treatment X, the insurance company denied it, they all assume it was a blanket denial, and then someone wrote words on the shell casings that took out the head of the insurance company that killed their mom. Or kid, for that matter.

They'll either need to hire better security, or stop denying 30% of claims. They are not going to do anything that reduces profits... I imagine ex-Mossad will be approved by the Board.

And it won't be a good look. And will increase the anger.

[GORDON]

And let's not forget Evi(l)Core. They are maximizing the profits of maximizing the profits, and they only have to kill a few people per day to do it.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/07/health/e ... index.html

I hope this assassination leads to some meaningful change. I think there's been a lot of simmering anger of health care, especially since Obamacare was passed that was sold on a mountain of lies.

[TheCatt]

I finally read the elon statement. Holy shit. "The world will be destitute without us."

OK, we got enough guns to give it a shot.

[GORDON]

I finally read the elon statement. Holy shit. "The world will be destitute without us."

OK, we got enough guns to give it a shot.

Like I said... the most out of touch thing I've ever seen him say. The rest is a basic, out of touch "I'm the richest guy in the world and fuck you" stuff..... but that one was... maybe just a massive troll?