Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021)

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Sat and watched all 4 hours today.

This is MUCH better than the version Joss Whedon made. It's not a perfect film. There are pacing issues. Weird choices in sequences. A couple of odd character things. Definitely some plot holes. The final fight is still not very impressive. Etc. However, I would call this a total success and I want WB/DC to alter course and bring back the Snyder-verse version of these characters.

It's worth seeing.
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Spoilers in these links:
I forgot to mention one cameo that is just fucking terrible.

Leto simply sucks as The Joker. The look, the laugh, the talking style, etc. is all just shit.


Synder shares what the next two movies would have been about.

This means Batman's dreams are accurate, and that's just garbage story telling. Batman is a man, not a fortune teller.


WarnerMedia boss says they listen to fans, but they're done with the Synder-verse.

In other words, they're going to continue with their "nothing matters and nothing is connected" DC film universe. Good luck with that!
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This is probably worth its own thread, but I have a meeting coming up and so I'm just gonna dash this off.

DC can't replicate the success of the MCU, because the MCU success was just a fluke. Lightning in a bottle. Whatever you call it. Even the post-Endgame MCU isn't going to replicate the success of the MCU.

People seem to be forgetting everything we already know about Superhero movies going back to 1978. You can get a big first-time hit and a couple of meh sequels, but if you go beyond that it's over. Again, think about Superman, the 90s Batman, the two Spiderman series this century, the X-Men.

And until the MCU, Marvel really only had Spidey and X-Men. Everything else flopped: FF, Hulk, the very bad Cap thing from the 80s or 90s or whatever. For the MCU, Marvel made the brilliant move of casting RDJr as himself, and that was the catalyst. Ed Norton's Hulk did nothing. They managed to save it by doing another ok Iron Man and an all-right Thor, and a meh Cap. The first Avengers ensemble was good enough to set the hook.

This was a once-in-a-lifetime thing though. I could go on about how Marvel characters are a bit "fresher," having been created in the 60s, vs all the DC big names that come out of the fucking Great Depression for God's sake. But the simplest explanation is: the MCU was a fluke. Do something else.
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I don't totally disagree, but I disagree.

Tell a good story, cast the right folks, focus on details, stick to your guns, and good stuff will happen. The genre really doesn't matter.

My example to prove this point would be all entertainment. One could argue that at its core, pretty much all entertainment is the same, at least in its own area. So all music is the same, all movies are the same, etc.

Look at horror movies. They're all the same. Protagonists, the folks who will die, a couple of yucks and/or boobs, unstoppable killer, deus ex machina, wait for sequel to repeat. Yet it's the most profitable genre of movie. Sure, there are bombs, but overall if you want to make money on a movie, make a horror. They're like a U.S. Treasury Bond. Usually low profit, but also low risk.

Superhero movies are all the same. Hero. Villain. Some issue that keeps the hero from winning in the first 5 minutes. Resolve it and wait for the sequel. Sure, the powers, settings, and actors change, but isn't this the core?

We can repeat this for romantic comedies, war movies, westerns, fantasy (D&D type), SciFi, etc.

Hell, you can even compare actual movies and how they're basically EXACTLY the same, like Battle Royale/Hunger Games or Aliens/Avatar.

So the genre doesn't matter, and I can be completely honest? I'm not sure casting does either. Ok yes, RDJ as Iron Man was fucking brilliant. He is playing himself. Just like how Sean Penn won Oscars for playing a retard and a thug. Sometimes you just cast the person as themselves.

However, the devil is in the details. RDJ was a perfect Iron Man, but other actors would have been acceptable Iron Men. The real success came from behind the camera. No, not the director, although not discounting their contributions. In Marvel's case, it was Kevin Feige. In many other properties' cases it's JK Rowling, Stephen King, J.R.R. Tolkien, George R. R. Martin, Ian Fleming, etc.

Now Kevin didn't create the Marvel characters, but he absolutely did know and understand them. Disney execs get all the credit in the world for handing him the keys and saying, "Do your thing". Kevin took that power and made a franchise for the fans. He didn't make it for all audiences. He didn't try to cater to every demographic. He catered to Marvel's audience. He made it so good and so true to the characters that non-Marvel fans couldn't ignore it. "Tell a good story..."

Star Wars is dead. Murdered by Rian Johnson's inability to understand the franchise, J.J. Abrahm's overconfidence, and Kathleen Kennedy's mismanagement. Yet, here comes Jon Favreau who writes a show for the fans that's true to the franchise. Now Star Wars has a pulse.

Game of Thrones is considered legendarily good early on. Every character served a purpose. Every action made sense. Nothing was rushed. Stories played out properly and you cared because time was given to them and the characters. Then HBO ran out of source material and started to wing it. All of a sudden the series became a rushed shit show. Characters started acting unlike themselves. Stories were rushed and had no payoff. It sucked and fans turned on it.

And FYI, these last two examples occurred in genres where success had already been found. That lightning had already been caught, yet more lightning was found.

So long winded fun answer short: There is no reason that success cannot continue. The stories just have to be solid and the studio execs need to keep their noses out of it. But yeah, there's absolutely a "lightning in a bottle" factor, but you dramatically increase your odds when you put a singular mind in charge who honors the property.
thibodeaux wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:53 pm And until the MCU, Marvel really only had Spidey and X-Men.
FYI, these are not Marvel movies. They are movies from other companies who owned the rights to Marvel characters. Only the Tom Holland Spider-Man films had Marvel's actual approval and help. All the rest were made without any input from Marvel whatsoever, ditto for the FF and Ghost Rider (am I forgetting a property?). All the movies prior to Iron Man were made without Kevin Feige, and thus, were not part of the MCU, which includes Ang Lee's Hulk.

And Hulk has it's own issues. While Incredible Hulk was profitable, it was not a massive success. It also had some big controversy surrounding it with Ed Norton replacing Eric Banna, then fighting with Marvel as he's a massive diva, and so on. That's why Marvel kind of shoved that movie under the rug.
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Just like how Sean Penn won Oscars for playing a retard
But did he go FULL retard?
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Got halfway through it with the kid, tonight. We're enjoying it. I find the music changes jarring.... It's clear they didn't get the tonally correct music rights, so they added that new stuff instead that sounds weird and inappropriate for the scenes they accent.
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thibodeaux wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:29 pm
Just like how Sean Penn won Oscars for playing a retard
But did he go FULL retard?
I think Penn was born full retard.
GORDON wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:10 pm Got halfway through it with the kid, tonight. We're enjoying it. I find the music changes jarring.... It's clear they didn't get the tonally correct music rights, so they added that new stuff instead that sounds weird and inappropriate for the scenes they accent.
Agreed.
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WB claims the Snyderverse fans are toxic and are bullying people. Synder says WB is full of shit.

Going with Snyder here. I have not seen any of that negativity or even heard it talked about previously. Also, campaigns of hate don't make studios decide to give $30M to a fired director to finish his movie.

WB has already proven their sheer incompetence by how they've handled the DC franchise so far, and they want to continue using it in some Hollywood circle jerk instead of telling stories to serve the fans. Now they want to blame fans? Go fuck yourselves WB execs.
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#RestoretheSynderverse broke trending records...

Snyder said that this film was part 3 of a 5 part arc...

HBOMax downloads up 68% for the Synder release...

AT&T's head honcho LOVED it. Guess who they own...

HBO executives are now being reported as wanting to not only continue the Snyderverse, but also want Batfleck to remain...

It's going to be real interesting to see where this goes.
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"Four hours long...and mediocre"

Wow, where do I sign up??
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Near the beginning, WOnder Woman's introduction.

Roose Bolton is going to set off a bomb in a museum, and take out a bunch of school kids and a couple city blocks, because he and his terrorist group want to "set back Europe 1000 years." They had no intention of doing anything with the hostages, that was, admitted by a bad guy, "Just a ploy to keep the cops busy until the bomb went off."

So why was there a group, and timer, at all? Roose could have walked in alone with the suitcase bomb, the way he did, and just turned the key with NO 1-minute countdown that gave WW time to save the day. There was never a reason for a countdown, they just wanted a bomb to go off, full stop. Turn key, boom, mission objective achieved.

Some bad writing there. "Well we needed the timer so the movie could happen."
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GORDON wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:27 pm "Well we needed the timer so the movie could happen."
A very, very common phrase in Hollywood is "This needed to happen so the movie could happen." or some variation of that.

Truthfully, it's because they aren't creative enough to write a logical film.
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You want dark? This is the SECOND bomb, because the first one worked. WW was watching for more trouble and caught Roose Bolton in the act.

There, a million dollars please.
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