Steve Irwin finds an animal he can't handle

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Post by Malcolm »

Why would anyone want a dangerous society?
I want a fine line walked. I want the world to be dangerous enough to weed out stupid people, the group I believe to be the cause of many of the ills of the world. But I don't want it dangerous enough where outright anarchy & chaos rule the day. The society (gov't in particular) in America seems to be built on the premise that we must save even the dumbest motherfucker. I want to reintroduce society to Darwin's theories.

Why? Cos mathematically we come out better than we came in.
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I want the world to be dangerous enough to weed out stupid people


They seem to do a fine job of that all by themselves.
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Post by Malcolm »

I want the world to be dangerous enough to weed out stupid people


They seem to do a fine job of that all by themselves.

Are you kidding? Society goes out of its way to protect idiots. Their survival rate has jumped dramatically. How else can you explain all these laws that "protect people from themselves" or other bullshit? How do you explain the, as you termed it, "punishment before conviction" of sexual predators? You wanna know who got that law passed? People too stupid &\or lazy to look after their offspring & protect them. I don't want their genes passed on, eroding whatever worth is left in the human race.




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It is the duty of citizens to provide domestic security to their society, and to resist any attempt of their government to provide it on their behalf. Domestic governmental security is highly overpriced (usual cost: your liberties and most of your paycheck) and is provided by the lowest (i.e. most incompetent or dishonest) bidders.

The only security the government should provide is non-domestic in nature: protection from other governments. That's it.
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It is the duty of citizens to provide domestic security to their society, and to resist any attempt of their government to provide it on their behalf. Domestic governmental security is highly overpriced (usual cost: your liberties and most of your paycheck) and is provided by the lowest (i.e. most incompetent or dishonest) bidders.

The only security the government should provide is non-domestic in nature: protection from other governments. That's it.
"Security" is a helluva word to throw around. For instance, I believe effective education over the long term provides security.
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True, and I'm a fan of education. I'm not a fan of governmentally run educational institutions. I've spent my life working for public colleges and universities, and I gotta say they are unbelievably badly run, without exception. I've seen a few well-run educational institutions, and every one of them is privately run. The government needs to get out of the business and let the public sector handle it.

EDIT: I haven't worked for a public primary school, but most of my family is teachers, and I've heard the same sorts of stories from that sector as well. I'd like to see some method of providing basic education to all, but not if it means the government does the job. I don't have a good solution to this one, but I know what we are doing simply does not work.




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Stupid people design public education systems as well. The trick is to get the right sort of bloke interested in taking such a job. However, that same person knows that such jobs are not for them. Kinda a catch twenty-two. The system needs a LONG overdue revamping. I suppose the analogy is you need a spark to start the fire. Gotta find the damned spark, though.
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I'm seeing a start to it. The last three years have seen a bit of a funding crunch in higher education. For the first time in a long time some schools are recieving less funding to such a degree that they'll have to change the way they do business or they might go broke in thirty or fourty years.

Okay so it's not much but it's a start, and it's got some few people starting to think about change. San Jac (where I work now) has hired three different consulting firms in the last three years, and all three independantly advised us that the only thing that can be done is to get rid of most of our upper management because they are completely incompetent. For some reason the upper management keeps ignoring this and hiring more consultants in search of another answer. Go figure.
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Post by Alhazad »

Seems like the tape is currently held by the Queensland police but his family is pressing to have it released because of his credo to always keep the cameras rolling no matter what happens.
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How is this so bad? This is what kos said.
Not political, I know. Irwin had two small children. I'll never understand parents who put themselves in such positions of danger knowing that a misstep can leave their children without a parent.
Two things:

1) How about some sensitivity/compassion for the family? No, cuz kos is a dick.

2) If he can't understand why people would rather live a possible life of adventure and do their life's calling than sit around on their ass and make stupid comments, then's he's a retard. Should parents stay at home all day, not drive to work, cuz they might get in a car accident? Not walk along roads since a single "misstep" could kill them?

kos is a dick and a retard, according to the evidence.
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I am gonna disagree with you there.
On what basis?
I believe a basic purpose of civilization is to provide safety and security for it's citizens.
So, people like you are the reason we have warning signs on hand-dryers, hair-dryers, bags, ladders, etc?

I've avoided getting into any of your discussions recently, but, fuck it - you're a retard too.
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Oh! Right, this is a thread about Steve Irwin. Sorry, I got distracted way off topic there.

I agree with the family. But more importantly, even if they were saying the exact opposite and I disagreed with them, I'd still say that they should be able to make the call about whether it's released or not.
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Seems like the tape is currently held by the Queensland police but his family is pressing to have it released because of his credo to always keep the cameras rolling no matter what happens.
Whoa, the family wants it released? Fucking kickass. This might make up for various Paul Hogan & Yahoo Serious flicks that country is responsible for.
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On what basis?
I believe a basic purpose of civilization is to provide safety and security for it's citizens.
So, people like you are the reason we have warning signs on hand-dryers, hair-dryers, bags, ladders, etc?

I've avoided getting into any of your discussions recently, but, fuck it - you're a retard too.
What a logical and well articulated argument... NOT!

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I believe a basic purpose of civilization is to provide safety and security for it's citizens.
So, people like you are the reason we have warning signs on hand-dryers, hair-dryers, bags, ladders, etc?

I've avoided getting into any of your discussions recently, but, fuck it - you're a retard too.
What a logical and well articulated argument... NOT!

Child.
What an insightful and well-thought response.

Look Wayne, if you disagree with what someone says, perhaps you need to respond with facts or at least a position that has some ground to defend. I'm not defending Catt's remark to you, but he does bring up a good point. Do we really need something to tell us not to use a hair dryer in the tub?

There's an old saying, If you argue with a fool, who's going to know the difference.

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Post by GORDON »

Kos figured out a way to say something bad about him.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/4/162734/2668
How is this so bad? This is what kos said.
Not political, I know. Irwin had two small children. I'll never understand parents who put themselves in such positions of danger knowing that a misstep can leave their children without a parent.
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I am gonna disagree with you there.
On what basis?
I believe a basic purpose of civilization is to provide safety and security for it's citizens.
Holy shit.
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It is the duty of citizens to provide domestic security to their society, and to resist any attempt of their government to provide it on their behalf. Domestic governmental security is highly overpriced (usual cost: your liberties and most of your paycheck) and is provided by the lowest (i.e. most incompetent or dishonest) bidders.

The only security the government should provide is non-domestic in nature: protection from other governments. That's it.
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If you weren't just a troll, you'd know that most of the regulars here probably think of the USA PATRIOT act as what it is: a law-enforcement wish-list that dates back to the Clinton years which probably won't do anything to prevent terrorist attacks, but doesn't REALLY represent an OMG WTF BUSH IS TRAMPOLING TEH CONSTITION!!1!! moment.

Troll.




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More Americans blame Bush for 9/11.

I'm no fan, but this is stupid.

Asked whether they blame the Bush administration for the attacks, 45 percent said either a "great deal" or a "moderate amount," up from 32 percent in a June 2002 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

But the Clinton administration did not get off lightly either. The latest poll, conducted by Opinion Research Corporation for CNN, found that 41 percent of respondents blamed his administration a "great deal" or a "moderate amount" for the attacks.
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