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From here.



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How are we going to pay for it, and where are the troops comeing from? Oh and let's not forget, How are we getting out?
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You get out by WINNING.



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You touched on it, but I think the fundamental issue is the scarcity of resources.
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thibodeaux wrote:You get out by WINNING.
That worked well in Germany.
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As long as they're not dying by the thousands, I thought it didn't matter.
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TheCatt wrote:You touched on it, but I think the fundamental issue is the scarcity of resources.
This is true... but is the basis of economic success in the United States solely based on the availability of natural resources, here in the 21st century?

I was under the impression that it is not, which is why I think there must be a "way" in Sudan.

I could be wrong.
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Mommy Dearest wrote:How are we going to pay for it, and where are the troops comeing from? Oh and let's not forget, How are we getting out?
A small percentage of out total troop strength is currently in Afghanistan and Iraq, no matter what else you've been told.
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Mommy Dearest wrote:How are we going to pay for it, and where are the troops comeing from? Oh and let's not forget, How are we getting out?

I agree! Their lives aren't worth the financial cost to us.
Also, sacrificing one American military volunteer in place of 300 or so foreign women/children/innocents is wrong because American lives are at least 1000 times better.

No... wait. On second thought, I don't believe that. It's the duty of the Haves to help the Have-nots, because nobody else can. It might hurt us a little, but it's hurting them a lot.
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thibodeaux wrote:As long as they're not dying by the thousands, I thought it didn't matter.
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I thought someone would call me on it... but White Man's Burden is a really negative view of the idea you can improve the lot of "brown people." It suggests the entire practice is futile.

Is THAT true? I don't know that there's enough evidence. Historically, when western countries try to "improve" brown countries, they did it as permanent occupiers.... which introduces an entirely new set of problems.
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GORDON wrote:
TheCatt wrote:You touched on it, but I think the fundamental issue is the scarcity of resources.

This is true... but is the basis of economic success in the United States solely based on the availability of natural resources, here in the 21st century?

I was under the impression that it is not, which is why I think there must be a "way" in Sudan.

I could be wrong.
Solely? No.

Largely? Yes.

America's vast reserve of natural resources, and sheer abundance/density of natural resources has made it more competitive than places where such resources had to be brought in, or finished good purchased. This advantage allowed superior economic growth in the 1700 and 1800's upon which our nation has built.

But eayh, ther's a better way for sudan.
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GORDON wrote:I thought someone would call me on it... but White Man's Burden is a really negative view of the idea you can improve the lot of "brown people." It suggests the entire practice is futile.

Is THAT true? I don't know that there's enough evidence. Historically, when western countries try to "improve" brown countries, they did it as permanent occupiers.... which introduces an entirely new set of problems.
I would argue that such occupations can have large short-term disadvantages for the people, but larger long-term benefits.

India would be a good example. They struggled under the class sytem, but once the whities disappeared, they kept all the benfits from the occupation and are building on the,

Sorta like slavery in the US. Bad for slaves, good for their ancestors.
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TheCatt wrote:Bad for slaves, good for their ancestors.
Because they made money selling their descendants into slavery?
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the signatories are squabbling over whether or not the ethnic cleansing is technically a genocide


What
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Fuck?!

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thibodeaux wrote:
TheCatt wrote:Bad for slaves, good for their ancestors.

Because they made money selling their descendants into slavery?
Desecendants, whatever.
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I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG!! HAHAHAH LOLOLO OMGWTF.
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TPRJones wrote:
the signatories are squabbling over whether or not the ethnic cleansing is technically a genocide


What
The
Fuck?!

You have got to be joking.
No joke.
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I don't know about you, but that pretty much finishes up any usefulness of the UN as far as I'm concerned. When they can't even decide if someone who is killing everyone they can get their hands on of a certain race is really genocide or not, then there is a serious problem with thier priorities.

What are they thinking? That it's not really genocide until you've finished the job? Seems like would be a little late then to me. I guess if you promise to leave one alive then they'd be willing to not press the genocide issue, maybe?

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TPRJones wrote:I don't know about you, but that pretty much finishes up any usefulness of the UN as far as I'm concerned. When they can't even decide if someone who is killing everyone they can get their hands on of a certain race is really genocide or not, then there is a serious problem with thier priorities.

What are they thinking? That it's not really genocide until you've finished the job? Seems like would be a little late then to me. I guess if you promise to leave one alive then they'd be willing to not press the genocide issue, maybe?

Fucktards.
France is against action.

I can't find the article which said China and others disputing the genocide, but here's a very new story about the UN making noises like they care: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/27/international/africa/27nations.html
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