Planned Parenthood is organ farming

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Details about organ usage.
DOES THE WOMAN HAVE TO AGREE TO USING THE TISSUE FOR RESEARCH?

Yes, she has to give consent. And the matter can't be raised until after she has decided to have an abortion.

IS USING FETAL TISSUE A NEW IDEA?

Hardly. Scientists have worked with it since the 1930s. The 1954 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded for work with fetal tissue that led to developing a vaccine against polio. The National Institutes of Health spent $76 million on human fetal tissue research in fiscal 2014.


Additionally, I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to provide hard financial evidence PP is profiting in any way, significant or otherwise, from them. Show me bank accounts with transfers or briefcases full of cash.




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Usually an investigation is done to establish such proof. Investigations are warranted based on evidence, and the video evidence suggests they are structuring their pricing in a way as to not draw attention to the money they are getting for the baby parts. Had everything been on the up and up, why care if attention was drawn to it? Of course, they might just be wanting to avoid a hassle, but again... that's what an investigation would discover.
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Had everything been on the up and up, why care if attention was drawn to it?

Because psychos still get to vote and they didn't want to deal with people like Rand Paul threatening to defund them while they already have to deal with absurd, draconian state laws. This is one of the first real sticking points I've had with him. He's proven himself to be a libertarian in name only. Just another vote whore now.




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Why is this a thing that can only be funded by the government?
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GORDON wrote:Why is this a thing that can only be funded by the government?

It's not only funded by them. If the cash is yanked, they don't have hundreds of millions of dollars waiting in the vaults to make it up.
Planned Parenthood receives about a third of its money in government grants and contracts (about $360 million in 2009).
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Planned Parenthood is also funded by private donors, with a membership base of over 700,000 active donors whose contributions account for approximately one quarter of the organization's revenue.


Finally, it also does its damndest to make sure it doesn't have to any more perform surgical abortions than its patients need ...
Planned Parenthood argues for the wide availability of emergency contraception (EC) measures.
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Citing the need for medically accurate information in sex education, Planned Parenthood opposes abstinence-only education in public schools. Instead, Planned Parenthood is a provider of, and endorses, comprehensive sex education, which includes discussion of both abstinence and birth control.

... but the "every sperm is sacred" and "sex outside marriage = sin" PAC groups continue to hinder them because they believe condoms are the work of Satan.




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So I'm sure your insurance would rather pay for an abortion that a birth. Put private insurance in the mix and then the abortion clinics can overcharge everything like regular doctors do.

Plus, cut the federal funding and sell it to the KKK and other hate groups to hold fundraisers since killing non-white babies is so important to the health of the nation.
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Heheh
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So I'm sure your insurance would rather pay for an abortion that a birth.

No, the insurance would rather pay for contraceptives, because those are even cheaper.
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TPRJones wrote:
So I'm sure your insurance would rather pay for an abortion that a birth.
No, the insurance would rather pay for contraceptives, because those are even cheaper.
I'm pretty sure PP literally gives those away.
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Yeah, I'm not sure that is a point you should try to contradict. Doesn't health insurance pay for abortions? If not, why?

I guess I'm wondering why federal money is needed at all in this era of Obamacare.
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I don't think most insurance covers abortions, and I'm almost certain Obamacare doesn't.
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Well it should, and if it did PP wouldn't need further funding. I sez.
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No arguement here on that point. Although something would still need to replace the work PP does with contraceptives.

I did a little searching, and ACA policies can elect to cover abortions but they can't use any federal funding to cover it. If they do they have to use separate bank accounts and separate billing systems just for abortions to make sure no federal funds get mingled in there, so most don't. Medicare/Medicaid also can't be used for abortions. Laws in 23 states don't allow insurance policies in that state to cover abortions at all.

You'll need to fight a lot of Republicans at the federal and state levels to get any of that to change. Until then if PP goes down there will be a big rise in both unwanted children being born and back-alley abortions killing women.




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So the federal money that goes into PP has to be kept in the non-abortion bank account?
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Apparently those rules only apply to insurance (and Medic*), not PP.
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So the government can buy abortions through PP funding, but they can't fund abortions through Obamacare or Medic*. Makes sense.
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The gov't funding is explicitly not for abortions. It pays for other things, by law.
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So as I said, the government money has to go into the "not for abortions" bank account, then.
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GORDON wrote:So as I said, the government money has to go into the "not for abortions" bank account, then.
Yes.
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And people are fooled by that because it's brilliant subterfuge.
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