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A space X flight attendant's friend accuses Musk of acting like Deshaun Watson.

The timing is quite interesting. Weird how many people get accused of sexual misconduct right when they go against certain segments of society.

I would like to see the documents get produced though if they're real. It'd be fascinating to see written documents assuring the payment of money as long as someone keeps quiet and what they're keeping quiet about. Seems like that would defeat the purpose. It'd also be interesting to watch her get sued for breaking that agreement.
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Leisher wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 9:22 pm I would like to see the documents get produced though if they're real. It'd be fascinating to see written documents assuring the payment of money as long as someone keeps quiet and what they're keeping quiet about. Seems like that would defeat the purpose. It'd also be interesting to watch her get sued for breaking that agreement.
She didn't break it, her friend has no agreement.. Agreements like that also are no longer legal in CA to prevent this type of abuse from being buried.

Sounds guilty.
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I'm glad I never got rich so that every time i got drunk and propositioned a woman for sex I didn't have to pay $250k hush money.

I hope she was able to emotionally recover.
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TheCatt wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 9:37 pm She didn't break it, her friend has no agreement.
You understand she told the friend, right? Provided documents and whatnot (if they exist). That would be breaking a confidentiality agreement.
TheCatt wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 9:37 pm Agreements like that also are no longer legal in CA to prevent this type of abuse from being buried.
If they're illegal, and honestly they should be, they should be illegal to enter for both parties. Meaning any money that exchanges hands should make both criminals.

Elon didn't deny anything, but said, "There's a lot more to this story." He also said that if this were his MO, there'd be tons of accusations out there. That's not a terribly illogical point.

I want to hear the other side and see the evidence before I say guilty or not. And I should clarify that it wouldn't shock me if it was true. Being a billionaire I'm guessing his life experiences are all about women throwing themselves at him combined with throwing money at problems to make them go away. The story isn't sexual assault, it's sexual misconduct. There is a huge difference.

Still the timing is undeniably interesting. There is a pattern of these types of accusations all coming at "perfect times" against certain people by certain others. It's not an awesome trend.

Far left Newsweek jumps on the story and wants you to think all of Twitter has exploded in outrage. Literally one comment of the hundred or so on this tweet when I checked was anti-Musk. We're too divided for shit like this to matter, true or not.
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Leisher wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 12:19 am You understand she told the friend, right? Provided documents and whatnot (if they exist). That would be breaking a confidentiality agreement.
You misunderstand the timeline of events.
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TheCatt wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 10:29 am
Leisher wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 12:19 am You understand she told the friend, right? Provided documents and whatnot (if they exist). That would be breaking a confidentiality agreement.
You misunderstand the timeline of events.
Oh I fully understand the timeline of events:
-Event allegedly happened in 2016.
-It was so traumatic that nobody said or did shit about it for 6 years.
-Elon moves to buy Twitter, labels it a left wing propaganda tool, then says he's voting R.
-All of a sudden that event in 2016 becomes too traumatic not to share.

We've all seen this movie before.

Setting aside that her friend's version of events would be hearsay, and interestingly, none of the documents were provided in the article. Really interesting move by someone who "just wants the truth out". (Any credible reporting would have demanded them to go forward with the story.)

If she entered an agreement to be silent you're arguing that Musk's lawyers wouldn't have asked her who she already told? They wouldn't have told her to turn over all documents? They'd be too stupid to realize the story was already out, and would still pay $250K? Doubtful.

I'm still not suggesting her story is false, but there are so many red flags that only the truly biased would immediately declare it to be true based only on "a friend's" words.
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The friend was told all of this prior to the agreement in 2018.
Leisher wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 11:34 am
TheCatt wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 10:29 am
Leisher wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 12:19 am You understand she told the friend, right? Provided documents and whatnot (if they exist). That would be breaking a confidentiality agreement.
You misunderstand the timeline of events.
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And Leisher suggested the lawyers would have asked who else knew, and if she failed to disclose her friend and still took the money then she broke the contract.
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At any rate, if he has nothing to hide, kill the NDA.
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Will she be returning the money if the NDA is killed? :D

Listen, I'm with you that NDAs for shit like this alleged incident should not be legal...maybe. I'm willing to listen to the argument that it can be legal if both parties agreed upon whatever the initial action was. So say Elon and Hollywood starlet agree to diddle, but he, she, or both want it hush hush, then sure, do an NDA. Point being, they shouldn't be used to silence someone when an illegal act occurs.

So if he did something illegal, fuck the NDA. However, this is where his "there's more to this story" comes into play. Remember, this entire account is hearsay from her friend. Documents supposedly exist, but again, why weren't they included in such a huge story? 20 years ago (maybe 30 or 40?) this story wouldn't see the light of day without hard evidence that could be printed immediately. Now these accusations make a profit and there are no consequences for being wrong. Plus, they're a political weapon now, so [insert party here] will push their propaganda machines to publish them.

What if the real truth is that there is an NDA, but all it proves is that there was a payoff for silence? What if the real truth is that she absolutely did tug him or fuck him or whatever? What if she lied to her friend about the details to paint herself in a better light? People alter facts of stories all the time to make themselves look better. What if she was simply feeling guilty about taking money to give sexual favors to a man not interested in her beyond that? The friend made a comment about her "not being a prostitute" or something. Sure, it could be a legit defense of the victim by a friend, but it could also be remnants of a lie that was told about not being tempted by the money.

Point being, this would fit both the friend's version and Elon's "there's more to this story".

Without the documents saying, "Shut your yap about Elon's sexual misconduct", it all boils down to "he said/she said". There's a reason hearsay is often inadmissible in a trial. Ask Amber Heard.

If Elon and Deshaun are wise they will only get massages in California and film it. That way if any money is offered for sexual favors, it's just a porn shoot and not illegal. :lol:
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Great. Now a shitload of people will be automatically against the list being released, since Elon is for it.
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Has anyone coined "Elon Derangement Syndrome" yet?
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Damn, you have a massive hate boner for Musk. I think you hate him more than Trump. Were you guys in the Eagles together or something?

To be fair to him here...
1. It doesn't sound like he was involved at all.
2. The employees weren't fired for exercising their free speech, but rather:
The newspaper said Shotwell's email said employees involved with circulating the letter had been fired for making other staff feel "uncomfortable, intimidated and bullied, and/or angry because the letter pressured them to sign onto something that did not reflect their views".
3. It's a private company and free speech doesn't apply. Something you have pointed out multiple times in the Facebook and Twitter discussions. :D
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Leisher wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:22 am The newspaper said Shotwell's email said employees involved with circulating the letter had been fired for making other staff feel "uncomfortable, intimidated and bullied, and/or angry because the letter pressured them to sign onto something that did not reflect their views".
Everyone's a snowflake these days.

Letters can't pressure people to sign something.
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I like Musk. But I recognize a lot of people have an irrational hatred of him. I don't get it.
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TheCatt wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:31 am
Leisher wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:22 am The newspaper said Shotwell's email said employees involved with circulating the letter had been fired for making other staff feel "uncomfortable, intimidated and bullied, and/or angry because the letter pressured them to sign onto something that did not reflect their views".
Everyone's a snowflake these days.

Letters can't pressure people to sign something.
Letters? No.

The people behind them? Yes.

Same as guns.

The type of people who walk around with letters like this are the same type that scream, complain, fight really hard to get people cancelled, and call anyone that doesn't bend the knee to them bigots, racists, homophobes, transphobes, misogynists, etc.

There's definitely a social pressure there even without the threat of cancellation.

To contrast, many companies have enacted policies blocking employees from soliciting for school fundraisers, girl scout cookie drives, etc. Why? Because there is a social pressure to buy from these things even if you really don't want to.
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That being said, if you're that weak that you can't say no to something like a cookie sale, maybe you shouldn't be allowed out in public without an adult.
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