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They need to go farther right...

Insanity.

The Republicans need to get back to the middle.

The Dems went father left, and are still winning thanks to the fact that they can ride social issues to victory. After all, they just want people to be happy, while the Republicans are talking about raping people...

Personally, I think it's simple:
1. Smaller government
2. Get the fuck out of my life

What else is there?

Do the Republicans have a chance of righting the ship?
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The article agrees with you
In other words, in Virginia and elsewhere, the moderate Republicans lost this election. The far right lost even harder. The path forward for the Republican Party lies in a return to the centre, not further regression.


Republicans don't have much of a chance, too much of their base is religious right.

I think I would win 2016, based on views/politics alone.




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I still think it is "free candy." So many people are now out of work and counting on government food stamps and welfare and whatever that they are not willing to vote for anybody that wants to cut off the flow of free candy, even if it would be better in the long run.
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The Republicans need to get back to the middle.

They'd probably describe themselves as centrist. Every time an election rolls around, I'm reminded how fucking far off they've gotten. They seem to be in a race with the jack-asses for who wants my vote the least.

Personally, I think it's simple:
<s>1. Smaller government</s>
<s>2.</s> Get the fuck out of my life

What else is there?

Too long. Fixed. How does that one South Park episode go, "It's not enough to just disagree with someone. You also have to be a dick to them." They need to publicly disown all the insane right-wing psychos who view gov't as something made to impose moral standards on society. Murder isn't outlawed because it's fundamentally "evil." It's outlawed because random, wanton killing does nothing for the stability of society. The article Leish mentioned referenced a Virgina sonogram bill.

In a statement Wednesday, [Republican Governor Bob] McDonnell reiterated his support for the bill, which he argues will provide additional information that "can help the mother make a fully informed decision" about having an abortion.

"This bill does not legally alter a woman's ability to make a choice regarding her pregnancy," the statement said. "It does, however, put Virginia in line with 23 other states that have some type of requirement that a woman be offered a view of an ultrasound before an abortion can be performed."

Fuck you. Fuck you up the ass with your bill and the pen you used to sign it. You are the posterboy for why I don't vote Republican, you fucking asshole. Stop trying to defend your bullshit ethics with, "It technically doesn't prevent them from doing anything." Fuck you. Every time you drink a beer, you're required to go to AA, just to get a view of the alcoholism you might develop if you take a sip and succumb to the daemon temptations beyond your control. Fuckwad.

Do the Republicans have a chance of righting the ship?

Not currently. The Republicans are, as of right now, plain fucking hopeless and clueless. Both parties are run by incompetent thieves, but at least one's figured out how to win. They have to lose quite a few more seats before they accurately assess just how far they have their heads up their ass.




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GORDON wrote:I still think it is "free candy." So many people are now out of work and counting on government food stamps and welfare and whatever that they are not willing to vote for anybody that wants to cut off the flow of free candy, even if it would be better in the long run.
Bullshit.

Romney lost because he spent too much time trying to appeal to the insanely assholish Christian right. Far too many people held their nose and voted Obama because they felt it was the only choice.

The main people responsible for Obama's second term are Republicans. They ran that election like a bunch of retarded monkeys.
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TPRJones wrote:They ran that election like a bunch of retarded monkeys.
Retarded fish-frogs.
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The thing is I really do think most people vote based not on the chance of their own personal gain but because of what they think is best for the country. Most people here know what is best for the country is limited government and mostly unlimited personal freedoms. But some people are stupid and think trying to legislate the bible is what is best for the country. And others are too concerned with saving whales and is it hot in here to you. They aren't trying to destroy America, it's just a side effect of their stupidity. And both political parties are catering to the stupid, failing to realize that more and more people are less stupid then ever before, and campaigning to the centrist smart would be a nice change of pace.
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The thing is I really do think most people vote based not on the chance of their own personal gain but because of what they think is best for the country.

People often think that what's good for them must be good for other people.
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Indeed. That's why I've never gotten a decent birthday or Christmas present from my mother.

On the bright side, pantyhose can be almost as useful as duct tape for household jury-rigged fixes.
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The lack of adhesive would be an issue, I think.
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I have lots of relatives who loath republicans, and it has nothing to do with religion.
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Is it because of their political stances? If so, which ones? I'd wager long odds that if they are stereotypical "evil Republican" stances then either they are strawman lies set up by Democrats or if they are indeed factual they are rooted in biblical regressivism.
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First of all, the ones I have in mind are all women.

2 of the 3 are very religious.

My sister writes long facebook posts about how much she loves jesus, and how jesus helps out her family so much, and that republicans do not have her family's best interests at heart because, obviously, jesus would be a democrat.

The other religious one is my aunt, and she is very pro-union. I think that's all it takes for her to hate republicans.

My other aunt is a True Believer. She isn't religious, except that she is in that she will ignore evidence I present suggesting that obama may not be the second coming, and immediately turn it around on me with "people believe what they want to believe" and then decide she won the argument.

They all believe in the "republican war on women."

They all believe that there is free candy, and poor people need free candy and the only reason that the "rich" should not be supplying the poor with free candy is because you are straight-up a bad person. They project that shit on to me and that's when I stopped caring, let it burn.

Can't stop it. Too many people are wanting their free candy. Too many people think they deserve their free candy. Add that to the very successful propaganda campaign I mentioned in some other thread, and you also get them believing in things like THE WAR ON WOMEN and peeps start hoarding tampons in case romney is elected and bans them.
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Oh yeah, and I forgot my step sister, who I actually really liked, in spite of her very obvious political bent. On election night when I finally decided to share my opinion with her, she told me to shut up.

That's sort of when my moment of clarity came... these people who are supposed to like me don't actually care what I think. Changed my entire world view.
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Of course, Jesus ALSO didn't say, "feed people by getting government to do it." He did it his own self.




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Yeah, but I don't think Jesus scaled well.
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2 of the 3 are very religious.

How do they skirt about the pro-choice thing and the gay marriage thing?
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Malcolm wrote:
2 of the 3 are very religious.

How do they skirt about the pro-choice thing and the gay marriage thing?

I believe they don't ever think about it. Free candy is more important.




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It sounds to me like they sincerely want what is best for the country. They're just way too stupid to know why what they've been told is best is so hopeless and harmful. They aren't greedily into "free candy".

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

EDIT: Sadly I can't really disagree with their characterization of Republicans. I know not all Republicans are like that. Very probably not even most Republicans are like that. But enough of the leadership and politicians are like that to make it way too true. Time to abandon party.




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Unions = free candy for those lucky enough to get in. Everyone not in a union pays the higher costs.

Obamacare = free candy. Someone else is paying for it.

2 years of unemployment (or however long it was extended) = free candy.

Food stamps = free candy.

Welfare = free candy.

Free phones = free candy.

Free underwater home refinancing = free candy.

In what way is "free candy" not a valid argument for why people voted democrat?
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