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So what is Kamala Harris? I've seen various articles call her black, American Indian, and Asian-American.
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Leisher wrote: So what is Kamala Harris? I've seen various articles call her black, American Indian, and Asian-American.
Her dad is from Jamaica, her mom is from India. So... yes.
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Saw a meme... they fired Mrs. Butterworth for being black, and hired Kamala for being black.
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TheCatt wrote: So... yes.
So she's everything and the MSM is going to try and milk that for every vote possible.

I'm seeing right wingers pushing the typical hit pieces, but these two pushed together made me laugh:
Kamala wants the voting age dropped to 16.

But she also believes this:
https://youtu.be/a0WcMa2Q8Ng
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Got to get them voting democrat while their brains are still undeveloped.
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Kansas apparently lets teens run for state house?
Aaron Coleman, a dishwasher and community college student, holds a five-vote lead over seven-term state Rep. Stan Frownfelter, a 69-year-old small business owner. Officials in their home of Wyandotte County are scheduled to meet Monday to review provisional ballots and decide whether to count them, potentially altering Coleman's 807-802 lead in voting.

Coleman is running a liberal platform that includes universal health coverage, eliminating college tuition, defunding the police and legalizing marijuana. But he received more attention for a social media post suggesting he would “laugh and giggle” if a former GOP state lawmaker died of COVID-19, another post endorsing abortion up to the moment of birth and a third acknowledging that allegations that he engaged in online bullying, blackmail and revenge porn were true. He apologized for the comments and said his past behavior targeting several middle-school girls was that of "a sick and troubled” 14-year-old.

Some Democrats are struggling with the possibility that with no Republican on the ballot in the 37th District this fall, Coleman could sit in the House come January. Frownfelter argues that Coleman's nomination could hurt Democrats' efforts to pick up seats in the GOP-controlled Legislature.
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Ds are full fledged finger blasting themselves over Michelle Obama's speech last night. A speech that was recorded weeks ago, which is why she never mentions Harris. I saw a single clip from it this morning, and she blasted Trump for taking kids away from their parents and putting them into cages.

AP points out what Michelle was condemning Trump for was policy and cages her husband had already setup and used.

Oops.
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"Later today, I will be signing a full and complete pardon for Susan B. Anthony. She was never pardoned," he said during remarks in the Blue Room.
Trump's really good at doing things that are symbolic with no real impact.
Leisher wrote: and she blasted Trump for taking kids away from their parents and putting them into cages.

AP points out what Michelle was condemning Trump for was policy and cages her husband had already setup and used.

Oops.
The former first lady was correct, however, in addressing the removal of children from parents at the border.

The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.

But family separations as a matter of routine came about because of Trump’s “zero tolerance” enforcement policy, which he eventually suspended because of the uproar. Obama had no such policy.
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So it's fine because Obama's administration didn't do one aspect, but did do all the rest?
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Leisher wrote: So it's fine because Obama's administration didn't do one aspect, but did do all the rest?
Does it matter if Hitler had killed 1 person or 6 million?

The aspect you're talking about means that orders of magnitude more children were separated under one administration that th eother.
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The U.S. had more than 100K children in migrant detention centers in 2015.

Border deaths during Obama and Trump are essentially the same.
Back in 2015, during Obama's tenure, a lawsuit filed by the ACLU referred to detention facilities as "hieleras" or "iceboxes," as Salon reported. The lawsuit accused CBP of maintaining "appalling conditions" that left people in "freezing, overcrowded, and filthy cells for extended periods of time, no access to beds, soap, showers, adequate meals and water, medical care, and lawyers in violation of constitutional standards and Border Patrol's own policies."

Those allegations sound almost identical to current conditions that have faced harsh criticism in recent weeks. Last month, a lawyer for Trump's Justice Department drew significant backlash after she attempted to argue in court that the government should not be required to provide migrants with basics necessities such as blankets, toothbrushes and soap. The judges hearing the arguments were taken aback when the attorney argued these things were not necessarily required to create a "safe and sanitary" environment.
But it's Trump, so it must be worse, right?
TheCatt wrote: Does it matter if Hitler had killed 1 person or 6 million?
Let's not give Ed Gein credit because he didn't kill as many people as Ted Bundy.
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I.wonder how many of them were saved from trafficking
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Leisher wrote: The U.S. had more than 100K children in migrant detention centers in 2015.
And the US GDP was 18T in 2015. Do you have any more irrelevant stats? How many were separated like we were discussing?

Trump criticized Michelle for having the wrong number of coronavirus deaths, because she understated it (since her speech was recorded)
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TheCatt wrote: Do you have any more irrelevant stats?
TheCatt wrote: The aspect you're talking about means that orders of magnitude more children were separated under one administration that th eother.
Do you have any more assumptions?

Her statement was about putting kids in cages. Spin the shit all you want, but her husband was doing it too. I don't give a fuck if Trump had some new policy that made things a bit worse or not. Both are sticking children in cages. If you're going to criticize one for it, then have to criticize both.
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Leisher wrote: Do you have any more assumptions?
No, it's already known as fact.
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Her statement was about putting kids in cages. Spin the shit all you want, but her husband was doing it too. I don't give a fuck if Trump had some new policy that made things a bit worse or not. Both are sticking children in cages. If you're going to criticize one for it, then have to criticize both.
Leisher wrote: and she blasted Trump for taking kids away from their parents and putting them into cages.
Literally quoting you.
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TheCatt wrote: No, it's already known as fact.
The policy is fact, but the numbers are not.
TheCatt wrote: Literally quoting you.
OH! My bad. It's totally ok to stick kids into cages as long as they're with their parents...or who we just assume might be their parent or guardian, even though many were probably just some stranger the family hired or possibly just someone trafficking the kids.

Things we know as FACTS, but numbers don't matter so... :D
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Leisher wrote: The policy is fact, but the numbers are not.
I mean, they are. But whatever.
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TheCatt wrote: I mean, they are.
___ <--- "fact" :D
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Leisher wrote:
TheCatt wrote: I mean, they are.
___ <--- "fact" :D
3,000 for Trump. Many, many fewer for Bush + Obama. Obama left Bush's doctrine of "exceptions for adults traveling with children" in place. Trump's administration revoked it. Until it was so unpopular that he undid it by executive order.
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A number!
TheCatt wrote: Obama left Bush's doctrine of "exceptions for adults traveling with children" in place. Trump's administration revoked it.
Honestly, based on what we know about the child trafficking, particular sex slaves, going on at the border, do we really know which policy resulted in worse results?
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