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I disagree strongly. The system is what creates these extremist parties. If you get rid of them all then you'll just have a different set of extremists pretty soon. The only way to break the cycle is to overhaul how voting is handled so that it doesn't inevitably drive the results to two extremist parties.
I was more referring to the big picture of how our government works and not thinking down to the local levels and how voting districts have been created.

I'm not sure you're right anyway. If we removed the Dems and Repubs overnight, does our political system reform with two new parties or several smaller ones? I would tend to lean towards the smaller ones, and I'm not implying that's better or worse.

Going back to voting, what do you want to change? I think the electoral college works well despite what those people whose candidate lost have said. In fact, this election proved it works as it should. (NOT an endorsement of Trump!!!!!!) Our leaders should never be determined by a "most votes win" system. Most votes win is great when deciding where to go eat, but not when deciding the direction of the country for millions of people.
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I would tend to lean towards the smaller ones, and I'm not implying that's better or worse.
It might start that way, but those parties would quickly consolidate to 2 parties in our winner takes all system. Our government favors a 2 party system quite heavily.
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It might start that way, but those parties would quickly consolidate to 2 parties in our winner takes all system. Our government favors a 2 party system quite heavily.
Indeed. First past the post is super broken, and it's how we do everything.

I wasn't kidding about applying game theory to it. When you analyze it the system enforces an eventual two party system with increasing extremism, because all other choices will be substantially less successful and be eliminated over time. Those local elections aren't just local they are where the national elections also happen, and this is what they will always lead to eventually under our current system.
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Fake news.
Fox News has reportedly pulled legal analyst Andrew Napolitano from the air over his baseless claim, repeated by Cardboard-Cutout-in-Chief Drumpf, that British intelligence officials spied on Drumpf at the request of President Barack Obama.
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Dissension in the ranks.
Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) was asked during a Fox News interview if the Thursday vote would be delayed if the GOP doesn't have the votes.

"I'm not going to get into hypotheticals," Ryan said.

"We're not losing votes; we're adding votes, and we feel like we're getting really, really close."

According to The Hill's Whip List, 24 House Republicans are voting no, with another six leaning or likely no and 15 uncertain. The bill will fail the House if more than 21 Republicans join all Democrats in opposing it.
Let's see how many spines show up.
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I think the Koch bros. may have helped kill this. They countered the WH and Ryan threats of being primaried with promised of 7 figure campaign donations for those targeted for voting "no".
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Jack-asses taking a page from the Reality TV party's book.
Senate Democrats on Thursday vowed to filibuster the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Neil M. Gorsuch, signaling an imminent partisan showdown over the nominee’s fate and the future of century-old rules in the chamber.
Repeal looking DOA.
Lacking the majority needed to pass their bill to replace the Affordable Care Act, House Republican leaders have postponed a planned Thursday vote, imperiling Comrade Drumpf’s first major legislative priority.
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Reality TV Party pussies out.
In an interview with The Washington Post, Drumpf deflected any responsibility for the setback and instead blamed Democrats. “We couldn’t get one Democratic vote,” he said.
You might want to get used to that.
Shortly after the decision, Ryan told reporters his party “came really close today, but we came up short.” He added: “We’re going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future.”

“It’s done, DOA,” said Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Greg Walden (R-Ore.), who drafted much of the legislation. “This bill is dead.”
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“Since 2010, every Republican, with the exception of probably a handful, has campaigned from dogcatcher on up that they would do everything they could to repeal and replace Obamacare,” White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Friday. “To get in and say you’re going to do something else would not be fair to the American people.”
And they can't seem to get their shit straight, even as of today.
“The blame falls with Diminutive Drumpf and with the Republicans,” Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in a statement.

“So much for the art of the deal,” he added.
Until Drumpf stops his insane, random accusations and fucking puts his Twitter account in less active hands, he's not going to win anyone over.
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You might want to get used to that.
Remember when the left was screaming that the Republicans were "the party of no".
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Leisher wrote:
You might want to get used to that.
Remember when the left was screaming that the Republicans were "the party of no".
It's like taking a page directly out of Nancy Reagan's book.
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Or the Ninja Turtles. I get my over-the-top caricatures confused.
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Leisher wrote:
You might want to get used to that.
Remember when the left was screaming that the Republicans were "the party of no".
Still are per the no-vote today. Strong majority, still can't pass their own bill.
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Troy wrote: Still are per the no-vote today. Strong majority, still can't pass their own bill.
True. Anywhere from 25-30 jumped ship. Either things keep going this way for another 3.75 (eh ... maybe only 1.75) years or Drumpf somehow learns not to piss off a substantial portion of the people allegedly in his party. I honestly don't think the Orange Dumb-ass has that much capacity, let alone desire, to learn.
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I just wanted to make sure I was thinking straight, now I am.

Republicans are the party of "no" whether they are the minority or majority. Got it.

I really wish the Democrats would make just one mistake and stop being so fucking perfect.
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Leisher wrote: I just wanted to make sure I was thinking straight, now I am.

Republicans are the party of "no" whether they are the minority or majority. Got it.

I really wish the Democrats would make just one mistake and stop being so fucking perfect.
Don't be obtuse. Not a single Republican voted for the original Obamacare. It's still the "law of the land." Blaming the democrats is a just grasping at straws. And exactly what Trump did.
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How am I being obtuse?

Just a bit annoyed by the circle jerk going on with the Trump/Republican bashing. Anyone with a shred of intelligence whose head isn't completely buried in the sand (their bias) can see he's a terrible president. A terrible person too. And his "Art of the Deal" seems to be: force people to do what you want. Doesn't seem to work too well when you don't have the leverage.

That being said, if I wanted to hear nothing but glee every time our President failed, I'd tune into any news program that isn't Fox (and even some of those), watch SNL, any TV show really, or even most movies. They don't even wait for him to fail.

I just wish Dems and their policies got the same coverage.

Everyone's busy listening to the band while the ship sinks.
Troy wrote: Not a single Republican voted for the original Obamacare.
Not something I look down on them for, if we're being honest. Obamacare is a pile of shit.
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Leisher wrote: Obamacare is a pile of shit.
Apparently enough pachyderms think Drumpf's alternative was actually worse or didn't go far enough. It's hilarious. They even disagree in their dissension, and have the aura of someone who figured out they just brought home a lemon from this guy:
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Leisher wrote:
Just a bit annoyed by the circle jerk going on with the Trump/Republican bashing.
I agree that in the long term it isn't helpful for the country. Yesterday was just one of those days I didn't really have a problem with it. Trump supporters throughout his campaign bought into healthcare reform being "easy." Trump campaigned over and over how much better his plan was and how fast he could pull it off.

Turns out IT IS really fucking hard. I'm glad everyone is on the same page now. The Trump-contrarians who have been screaming that from the other side the whole time have a right to feel a little vindicated. But that really should only last for a day. Feeling vindicated doesn't solve any problems.


As far as the Democrats being the party of "no" now - It'll be a long road back to meet in the middle. Can you really blame them for dragging their feet? They haven't been offered many carrots for that to happen. Were denied a SC seat that was open for nearly a year, host of other similar stuff. I know the "right" thing to do is to turn the other cheek, but that's so much easier said than done.
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Next, let's watch the great bidnizman fix the VA hospital system.
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It's just another work day at trial, but there are political rallies going down outside of office. Maybe 150-200 between both Trump and Anti Trump people.

Went down for lunch to check it out. Just a lot of idiots screaming at each other. 5x as many bike cops as protesters. Not to mention SWAT, Counter Terrorism, Horse units, Helicopters. Huge waste of money and time.

I had a sandwich, was good.
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I realized today while driving that associating with a political party is about the most base, fearful, primitive instinct that humans have. Back when belonging to the bigger gang meant you got the best hunting grounds and could rape the most females..... Now it is imperative that our side wins the election because fuck those other guys, I'm scared because Trump is Hitler.
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