Election Fraud: 2008 - Sponsored by ACORN (sponsored by Obama)

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:03 pm

While I still see no evidence for this voter fraud thing, I'd certainly hear suggestions that an organization which fucks up this much of its paperwork shouldn't be allowed to register anyone else till they up their standards.

Post by **TPRJones** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:23 pm

With that as the rule we'd have to shut down the IRS, the DMV, the county property tax offices, etc.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:25 pm

TPRJones wrote:With that as the rule we'd have to shut down the IRS, the DMV, the county property tax offices, etc.

They're all sanctioned directly by "the man." ACORN is probably a bit further removed, technically.

Post by **Leisher** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:04 am

I would require all voter registration to occur at the DMV or through tax departments. Having third party organizations do it is just asking for trouble.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:11 am

I like the "ID is required to cast a vote" idea, personally.

With all ID's being free to acquire.

Post by **Leisher** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:34 am

I'm all for that, but wasn't that plan proposed across the nation and wasn't it called "biased against minorities and poor people"?

The thought process was that forcing poor people and/or minorities to actually show up somewhere and register for something might intimidate them...

I wish I was making this up.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:15 am

Yes, I remember the uproar, but I don't care. If you've got widespread election fraud due to lax standards, you tighten things up a bit. It shouldn't be an issue at all to make people verify that they are who they say they are when they vote, yet it is. The only reason I can think of for that is malfeasance on the part of those protesting. So fuck them.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:48 am

GORDON wrote:I like the "ID is required to cast a vote" idea, personally.

With all ID's being free to acquire.

Agreed.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:52 am

So you guys are advocating that people must acquire government ID and be ready to display it to the appropriate officials?

What's next, Internal Passports to cross state lines?

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:01 pm

TPRJones wrote:So you guys are advocating that people must acquire government ID and be ready to display it to the appropriate officials?

So you guys are advocating that people must acquire government ID and be ready to display it to the appropriate officials....when voting?

Yes.

If you don't want to vote, don't bother getting an ID.

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Post by **Troy** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:25 pm

Leisher wrote:I would require all voter registration to occur at the DMV or through tax departments. Having third party organizations do it is just asking for trouble.

These places suck so bad even without the HEAVY burden such a program.

The DMV would be a nightmare each election eyar.

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Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:38 pm

GORDON wrote:If you don't want to vote, don't bother getting an ID.

Hear, hear! Beaucracy: Love it or leave it!

I don't know, myself. I'd rather have some occasional voter fraud than put too much control over who can and can't vote into the hands of those currently holding office.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:42 pm

Troy wrote:
Leisher wrote:I would require all voter registration to occur at the DMV or through tax departments. Having third party organizations do it is just asking for trouble.
These places suck so bad even without the HEAVY burden such a program.

The DMV would be a nightmare each election eyar.

I registered through the DMV, both in NC and Ohio.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:43 pm

TPRJones wrote:
GORDON wrote:If you don't want to vote, don't bother getting an ID.
Hear, hear! Beaucracy: Love it or leave it!

I don't know, myself. I'd rather have some occasional voter fraud than put too much control over who can and can't vote into the hands of those currently holding office.

I really fail to see how proving who you are constitutes "too much control."

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:23 pm

Well, we are talking about more beauracry here. That means rules and red tape.

What if they just happen to lose your application, or someone makes a mistake in the system so that your ID goes to someone else's address, or they mispell something so that your ID is not a proper match to you under the rules, or any other number of problems. What if some of these accidents aren't really accidents, but of course that woule be hard to prove because after all all they are doing is trying to identify you.

There's a lot of potential there for misconduct. Under the current system the tendancy is to - when in doubt - count the vote. I think that's better than replacing it with a system where the tendancy is to - when in doubt - throw the vote away. The second one is easier to abuse from the inside.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:09 pm

This would be so much simpler if you just replaced our current system with paper ballots. Dispensed by vending machines. The proceeds of which are the only source of revenue for all levels of government.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:10 pm

You walk in with a birth certificate, they take your picture, you get your ID, you check it for misspellings, you leave. That's pretty much the standard, even for things like driver licenses, and unlike driver licenses there isn't even a test to take.

You still haven't convinced me this proposed system is worse than widespread, possibly organized voter fraud when history has shown the leadership of the free world can be decided by fewer than 500 votes. I can honestly see no room for deliberate bureaucratic red-tape, or whatever that you are suggesting can happen during an election year.

Peeps wont have to wait until an election year to get their ID's. Hell, suggest that we drop the selective service registration, and get your ID on your 18th, instead, IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO.

Hell, make all access to government services dependent on an ID, which I think they are, anyway. We're just adding the requirement to verify the vote.

Post by **Vince** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:08 pm

TPRJones wrote:What if they just happen to lose your application, or someone makes a mistake in the system so that your ID goes to someone else's address, or they mispell something so that your ID is not a proper match to you under the rules, or any other number of problems. What if some of these accidents aren't really accidents, but of course that woule be hard to prove because after all all they are doing is trying to identify you.

Women go through worse when they get married and change their last names. It's not that big of a deal. Sometimes it takes more than once to get it right.

Post by **GORDON** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:59 pm

Ohio judge rules "homeless" can list a park bench as primary residence, for voting purposes.

http://dispatch.com/live....sid=101

Posted in this thread because while I can see it as valid for actual homeless, I can't see how this couldn't be easily abused by dishonest people.

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:37 pm

GORDON wrote:Ohio judge rules "homeless" can list a park bench as primary residence, for voting purposes.

http://dispatch.com/live....sid=101

Posted in this thread because while I can see it as valid for actual homeless, I can't see how this couldn't be easily abused by dishonest people.

I think that's fine.

But I also think those 13 people should have been ass-reamed for filing fake Ohio residency claims.