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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:11 pm
by Leisher
Windows 8 will be hitting in 2012 or 2013, and is being designed as a cross platform OS. Why? They're going to release it for PCs, tablets, and phones all at once.
They actually canceled the Courier tablet, which according to reviews was amazing, to accommodate this strategy.
IMHO, this is going to be the next "biggest moment ever" for Microsoft. If they nail this OS, and can get it out on phones and tablets as soon as it releases for PCs, WITH most functionality intact, they will change the market overnight.
With their market share in both personal, and especially, business computers (not to mention game consoles) they have a real shot of seriously damaging Droid, Blackberry, and iPhone.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:17 pm
by Malcolm
Did Wile E. Coyote hold this press conference while running off a cliff?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:17 pm
by TheCatt
MS should have OWNED the phone space by creating a fast and fancy OS that worked on smartphones. Instead they built a bloated piece of shit. (WM5/6, and whatever crap
MS just doesn't have it any more.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:28 pm
by Leisher
Instead they built a bloated piece of shit. (WM5/6, and whatever crap
I couldn't agree more. That's why I think this is it. This is their shot to grab the market back and dominate again. If they don't, if they let this slide, I think we're watching the end of Microsoft.
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:08 pm
by Leisher
Details of Windows 8...with X-Box Live.
Based on that article, they definitely taking a big leap forward.
Being able to go back and forth between your regular OS, and your mobile OS (Metro) is...interesting. Not sure why you'd need to do that yet, but we'll see.
Tying in X-Box Live is cool, but ugh. X-Box Live is obviously going to be MS's replacement for Games for Windows Live, and their competitor to Steam and Origin.
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:50 pm
by Leisher
AT&T apps developer was in here last week and said, "Every, and I do mean EVERY, trade site and magazine is saying that in 18 months, Microsoft is going to dominate the cell phone market."
He might have meant all portable devices, I forget his exact wording.
Still, I have already convinced myself that W8 is going to be a massive failure. There's just no way it does what they claim it will do. This is still Microsoft.
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:31 pm
by TheCatt
I will take that bet.
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:56 am
by Leisher
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:18 am
by GORDON
Geez I just finally got 7.
And then spent an hour making it look just like XP.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:18 am
by Leisher
PC Gamer's early impressions.
My first impression is negative, but I'll temper that by saying it's a lot of change, I'm not using a touchscreen, and I think the OS will really shine once you get mobile devices and your X-Box involved.
It just seems like Microsoft developed this OS to move mobile users towards a desktop rather than an OS that moves desktop users more towards a mobile existence.
Seriously, it seems like desktop users were an after thought.
And it's sooooo ugly!
Did I mention that there's no Start button anymore?
If you run several apps at once, say LoL, Steam chat, and LoL Replay, you'd better create desktop icons for them all or you're going to be wasting a lot of time leaving the desktop, heading to Metro (the mobile desktop), then the horrendously ugly new All Programs, and repeating for each app.
So I'm on the fence at this point. Let's see what changes come down before final release.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:30 am
by TheCatt
I'm pretty happy with Win7. I'l wait for SP1 of W8.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:03 pm
by TPRJones
I alt-tab like a madman. Any OS without an equivalent of alt-tab is terminally useless.
I'm not surprised it's awful. Microsoft is awful when it comes to intuitive and user-friendly design. Always has been. It's made by a bunch of people with no ability to empathize with the typical user.
Not that I care for Apple, but at least that's something they do well. If only we could have an OS designed by a crossover team to end up with the usefulness of a Microsoft product and the snappy design of Apple, then we'd have something that would be worth a damn.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:09 pm
by Leisher
I'm pretty happy with Win7. I'l wait for SP1 of W8.
I love W7 too, but W8 is necessary for MS to stay competitive. It's about linking desktops to tablets and phones.
I think if they avoid bugs and general shitiness, this will be an OS that people will look at with interest and then start buying like mad once it's proven to work. The leader in those purchases will be the business community.
My problem is that they could've designed it with the looks and functionality of 7, but added the mobile features of 8. Instead they designed an ugly turd that is foreign to the billions of desktop/laptop users, and familiar to the 200 people who actually bought a Windows phone.
I alt-tab like a madman.
It's still there.
I'm not surprised it's awful.
It's not awful, it's just not great. It's very middle of the road. Nothing, and I stress NOTHING, here would make someone buy Windows 8 if you remove the "not yet proven, but very well hyped" seamless link between your PC and mobile devices. However, that feature, and that feature alone, is why W8 was designed. If that feature works, Apple needs to react FAST or they're the next RIM.
Microsoft is awful when it comes to intuitive and user-friendly design. Always has been. It's made by a bunch of people with no ability to empathize with the typical user.
Not that I care for Apple, but at least that's something they do well. If only we could have an OS designed by a crossover team to end up with the usefulness of a Microsoft product and the snappy design of Apple, then we'd have something that would be worth a damn.
Ha! I've always said the exact same things.
Microsoft does NOT understand the needs of a typical user. They usually miss the mark so badly that it amazes me the company is still in business. I guess that's actually a credit to their products and business practices?
Meanwhile, Apple is indeed the opposite. They polish turds better than anyone, but they haven't made anything original since...ever.
MS and Apple working together would be amazing, the only stipulation being that one user would have to be involved to tell Apple, "Ok, you given me all the functions I want. Now, instead of accessing them the way you've designed do them the exact opposite way so that it works logically."
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:58 pm
by TPRJones
Leisher wrote:I alt-tab like a madman.
It's still there.
Oh. I thought you were saying to switch programs you had to do some sort of menu digging.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:59 pm
by Leisher
No, to open new ones you do, which isn't "odd", but wait until you see exactly how you have to do it.
And again, this is without using shortcuts, which would clutter your desktop.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:46 pm
by TPRJones
Oh, I get it now!
I don't use the Start Menu much, anyway. Mostly desktop icons, quick launch icons, or Win+R. But it seems silly to make that more difficult for people who do use the menus.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:21 pm
by TheCatt
Yeah, I pin most things to my taskbar/dock/whatever, so I juts click them to start them.
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:41 pm
by Leisher
Ex-Microsoft employee wants to fix Windows 8.
Here's his site.
Another guy's dad
Windows 8 is NOT the worst OS ever, but it's going to be a horrific failure on the desktop/laptop site of things. Nobody is going to want this at all. I say that as someone who makes these decisions for my company, and who has put a lot of technology projects on hold waiting to see what Windows 8 would be all about. From what I've seen, we'll be waiting for Windows 9.
Why is it that Microsoft constantly seems to create products for systems engineers and not for regular people?
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:03 pm
by Leisher
Consumer Preview Demo
The worst part about this is that it looks decent. More technically inclined folks like those here will have few issues getting the most out of the system, but it is so different from the old way that it's going to really fuck up a lot of folks.
I honestly think if they'd just add a start button to the desktop, and a visible "help" button on the Metro screen, they'd probably be fine.
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:57 pm
by GORDON
Why do they think people want something different from their desktop? It has been 17 years since Windows 95 brought people about to where they want to be. Microsoft keeps trying to reinvent the wheel, but, psssss Microsoft, wheels are fine the way they are right now.
I honestly want nothing more from my OS than to be FAMILIAR, stable, secure, and run the shit I want to run. That's it. If there's a new learning curve then I am not interested.