It not only makes state-recognized gay marriage not possible in NC (which was the status quo before), it also makes it so that gay marriages from other states cannot be recognized in any way (traditionally states respected each others laws on this matter for visiting couples, at least in theory), and further makes it so that there can be no private recognition of gay marriage, either, for things like "domestic partner" insurance and wills and powers of attorney and whatnot.
If I had to guess, I'd guess Troy's niece was insured by the non-blood-relation father/mother in a "domestic partnership" relationship, and now she's just some unrelated random kid that lives under the same roof instead of the step-daughter/adopted daughter/whatever of whoever has the insurance and thus no longer can be insured on that insurance plan. It's now illegal to recognize that a family might exist there so it's illegal to insure the kid.
It basically says "Not only do we not want to have gay marriage here, we don't want anyone in our borders to do anything at all even closely related to gay marriage, regardless of where you came from or who you are".
It's interesting in some of the particulars of how it can be interpreted. In NC it is perfectly fine for you to give power of attorney to your same-sex roommate for whatever reason and have no problems. But if it can be demonstrated that you two were gaying it up together, then that power of attorney becomes null and void under the new law.
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Finally:
I generally keep my political beliefs to myself, it's just a choice I make so I haven't spoken out on Amendment 1 but after seeing a lot of comments yesterday on fb I feel the need to say something. If the vote didn't go your way, please show some class. Taking the time to question the pro voter's education, dental hygiene, religion, or just insulting the entire state doesn't strengthen your argument at all. If you truly believe that no one should be discriminated against regardless of their beliefs, race, religion or sexual orientation then please stop with the hateful comments about the other side when everyone has a right to their own beliefs. When you say all of these hateful things about people that have opinions that are different from yours, you fill your heart with the same hatred that you accuse them of having in their hearts. And for the record, because I know someone will react before thinking about this statement, I voted against Amendment 1. I am very sad that we all can't be treated equally no matter what we believe in, but I won't let hate take over my heart.
TheCatt wrote:There's been a scare campaign that unwed couples and other such relationships could lose whatever legal/benefits status that they had, but I have no idea what the truth on that is.
This. Apparently it wasn't a scare tactic. I still don't know how it works exactly.
Unwed family, brother with insurance, mother without.
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Honestly, the ones ultimately responsible for the loss are the NC voters that cared about fighting it but didn't vote. The handful of counties that ended up opposing it - all heavily urban Democrat counties, of course - also had the lowest voter turnout in the state. Apparently they don't care enough about fighting bigotry to show up to stop it.
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"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
Yeah, if only those people had been told in church how to vote the Sunday before.TPRJones wrote:Honestly, the ones ultimately responsible for the loss are the NC voters that cared about fighting it but didn't vote. The handful of counties that ended up opposing it - all heavily urban Democrat counties, of course - also had the lowest voter turnout in the state. Apparently they don't care enough about fighting bigotry to show up to stop it.
Obama's support for gay marriage comes out of the closet.
He must really think he has this one in the bag.
He must really think he has this one in the bag.
President Obama, marking the end of a prolonged "evolution" on the issue, now favors allowing homosexual couples to marry, he said in a television interview Wednesday.
The announcement comes days after Vice President Joe Biden’s comments that he was "absolutely comfortable" with gay marriage put new pressure on Obama to clarify his position on the issue.
Obama told ABC's Robin Roberts Wednesday: "Over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors, when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or Marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that 'don't ask, don't tell' is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married."
It's not me, it's someone else.
Interesting move.
He risks pissing off his black voters, but let's be honest 98% = the kind of racist votes that won't be lost because of this.
He won't steal many votes from Romney.
He will ignite a voter base that comes out in droves to defeat gay marriage. Seriously, they dominated California of all places.
I think Biden forced Obama's hand, and I guarantee you there are folks in Obama's camp who think Biden should be replaced.
Oh, I also don't buy his support at all. I think it's political bullshit. Why? Because I know he has no respect for women. People who don't respect women aren't going to have love for gay folk.
If the Republicans were smart, they'd force his hand even farther by asking why he hasn't pushed for a federal law making gay marriage legal. They'd do this via media plants, of course.
It doesn't matter how we on this board feel about the issue or what other folks believe. What matters is the huge number of voters who turned out to destroy gay marriage proposals in the last few elections. Thus, if the Republicans force the issue Obama will have two moves:
1. Weasel out of an attempt at a law and prove he's full of shit.
2. Push for the law and pray voters don't punish him for it.
He risks pissing off his black voters, but let's be honest 98% = the kind of racist votes that won't be lost because of this.
He won't steal many votes from Romney.
He will ignite a voter base that comes out in droves to defeat gay marriage. Seriously, they dominated California of all places.
I think Biden forced Obama's hand, and I guarantee you there are folks in Obama's camp who think Biden should be replaced.
Oh, I also don't buy his support at all. I think it's political bullshit. Why? Because I know he has no respect for women. People who don't respect women aren't going to have love for gay folk.
If the Republicans were smart, they'd force his hand even farther by asking why he hasn't pushed for a federal law making gay marriage legal. They'd do this via media plants, of course.
It doesn't matter how we on this board feel about the issue or what other folks believe. What matters is the huge number of voters who turned out to destroy gay marriage proposals in the last few elections. Thus, if the Republicans force the issue Obama will have two moves:
1. Weasel out of an attempt at a law and prove he's full of shit.
2. Push for the law and pray voters don't punish him for it.
“Every record been destroyed or falsified, books rewritten, pictures repainted, statues, street building renamed, every date altered. The process is continuing day by day. History stops. Nothing exists except endless present in which the Party is right.”
3. Pray that this whole thing turns into a civil rights issue big enough in scope and ferocity to match the racial activism of the 60s and bring out young and Democratic voters in droves.Leisher wrote:Obama will have <s>two</s> three moves:
"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
He had to wait for new polls to come outGORDON wrote:Too bad he couldn't go to NC and have an opinion before the voting yesterday.
A Gallup Poll released Tuesday indicated half of Americans believe same-sex marriages should be recognized by law as valid, with 48% saying such marriages should not be legal.
It's not me, it's someone else.
Obama will not be starting any civil rights movement. He's far too polarizing. And has anyone heard from the last movement? Occupy, I'm looking at you.
as for the polls, I don't trust them. Gay marriage proposals across the nation didn't lose closely, they got destroyed. Somebody is lying or the pollsters are skewing numbers somehow. I've mentioned "Cosmic Slop" before and the first story in it reflects this very accurately. The aliens come to earth and offer us gold, the cure for cancer, and an end to pollution but in return they want all the black people. They don't ever specify why. Polls prior to the vote is a landslide to not trade our black people to the aliens. When the election comes its a landslide the other way. One of the main characters talks about how people will lie to a pollster to avoid looking bad, but in the privacy of the voting booth they don't need to lie.
as for the polls, I don't trust them. Gay marriage proposals across the nation didn't lose closely, they got destroyed. Somebody is lying or the pollsters are skewing numbers somehow. I've mentioned "Cosmic Slop" before and the first story in it reflects this very accurately. The aliens come to earth and offer us gold, the cure for cancer, and an end to pollution but in return they want all the black people. They don't ever specify why. Polls prior to the vote is a landslide to not trade our black people to the aliens. When the election comes its a landslide the other way. One of the main characters talks about how people will lie to a pollster to avoid looking bad, but in the privacy of the voting booth they don't need to lie.
“Every record been destroyed or falsified, books rewritten, pictures repainted, statues, street building renamed, every date altered. The process is continuing day by day. History stops. Nothing exists except endless present in which the Party is right.”
Yeah, too bad Obama is a politician and not just a decent human being.TheCatt wrote:He had to wait for new polls to come outGORDON wrote:Too bad he couldn't go to NC and have an opinion before the voting yesterday.
A Gallup Poll released Tuesday indicated half of Americans believe same-sex marriages should be recognized by law as valid, with 48% saying such marriages should not be legal.
He was in danger of earning my respect. Close call!
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
I think it's partly an issue of concentration. If 50% of the population lives in 10 states, and support it wildly (Massachusetts, New York, Illinois - I'm just conjecturing here), but the other 40 are against it, then it looks like 80% of American is against it.Leisher wrote:Obama will not be starting any civil rights movement. He's far too polarizing. And has anyone heard from the last movement? Occupy, I'm looking at you.
as for the polls, I don't trust them. Gay marriage proposals across the nation didn't lose closely, they got destroyed. Somebody is lying or the pollsters are skewing numbers somehow. I've mentioned "Cosmic Slop" before and the first story in it reflects this very accurately. The aliens come to earth and offer us gold, the cure for cancer, and an end to pollution but in return they want all the black people. They don't ever specify why. Polls prior to the vote is a landslide to not trade our black people to the aliens. When the election comes its a landslide the other way. One of the main characters talks about how people will lie to a pollster to avoid looking bad, but in the privacy of the voting booth they don't need to lie.
It's not me, it's someone else.
African-Americans voted 2-1 in favor of the North Carolina amendment banning gay marriage Tuesday, but the White House is betting that black voters there and beyond will stick with the president, despite broad resistance to legalization.
Read more: ]http://www.politico.com/news....]
Overall state: 61 - 39
It's not me, it's someone else.