Vince wrote: Dying trying to do something is not the same as dying for nothing.
To be fair, you're taking us way off topic, and it's still a matter of opinion. You might think suicide is a sin, but others consider it a matter of honor (like the Japanese). It's a cultural perspective. Hell, people among the Christian faith don't even agree. Just doing light research I found Christian sites saying it's a sin, but you'd be forgiven if you were already a child of God; and other Christian sites saying God gives life, and you have no authority to choose when to end it. (That would include sacrificing yourself to save others.)
And again, it's all perspective. Ask certain Muslims and they'll claim there is no greater way to die and heaven awaits. We say they're dying for nothing, they disagree.
So who is right?
End of the day, you have to ask if that kid would be alive if it wasn't for that girl, and the answer is YES. That's why she was found guilty in a court of law. Again, guilty of involuntary manslaughter, the specifics of which I've already posted.
Look, even Gordon agrees:
GORDON wrote: If he had turned off his phone, he'd have lived forever.
Vince wrote: To say a soldier that died for something is the same as a suicide victim is a pretty shitty opinion of our vets.
I went and asked a vet if I was ok with what I said and I was... Turns out, I have a pretty fucking high opinion of our vets.
Vince wrote: Sure the astronauts had a reasonable expectation of death. That's a far cry from the certain expectation of death of a suicide victim. I'd suspect the moon shot would have never happened had the fatality rate been 100% for every rocket launch. Astronauts would have been in short supply.
You know how many shipwrecks there have been? Yet those sailors kept lining up to sail. Astronauts would have too. I certainly would have gone to space when I was single and childless even if it meant not coming home.
Vince wrote: And I'm fine with you making your case against religion by quoting Jesse Ventura. You might want to see if Alex Jones and Art Bell also made some quotes you can throw in there.
I don't know who Art Bell is and I know nothing about Alex Jones except that Troy hates him, so I have absolutely no idea what your intent with this statement is, but I assume it's to imply Ventura's opinion means nothing. Why is your opinion more valid than his?
Vince wrote: I will concede the charges for not notifying authorities and also if she'd provided any material support for the suicide, as I am against doctor assisted suicide as well.
So she's guilty of not calling the authorities, but when he said he was having second thoughts and she talked him back into it, she bears no responsibility for that? Weird.
Also, I'm actually ok with doctor assisted suicide. Why should a person have the right to throw their life away to save someone else, while someone else has no right to end their suffering?
It's all perspective and opinion. It's an interesting discussion, but pointless to go on forever about. So I'll just keep pointing to the law and how the kid is dead because of the woman. I've already said I agree with that slippery slope, but this one isn't the one we should be concerned about. As unpopular as it would be, the guy getting locked up for writing pedo porn, that was far, far, far more of a violation of freedom of speech and whatnot.
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