Leisher wrote: I honestly have no idea what you're giving up on.
I really want Catt to explain what exactly he gave up on. He quoted me, and I didn't even realize we were in a discussion.
Alex Jones
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:15 am
by GORDON
It struck me that he was frustrated that no matter how many links he posted, we refused to be swayed and think only one party.is shitty. And also we don't believe numbers from "Random Foundation weve Never Heard Of.and Certainly Isn't Biased.". And you know they aren't biased because they say they aren't.
I don't think colleges are full of rapists, I think women can make rational, adult decisions, and I don't think black people are children and need their hands held. All three of those opinions make me a Nazi, to a certain segment of society, and open me up to retribution, and that's sick. That's the real problem. Anyone discussing the problems in this country, and not addressing that, is 100% wrong.
Alex Jones
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:16 am
by Leisher
Leisher wrote:
Leisher wrote: I honestly have no idea what you're giving up on.
I really want Catt to explain what exactly he gave up on. He quoted me, and I didn't even realize we were in a discussion.
Still waiting for Catt to explain.
I can only assume he's implying there aren't people trying to make pedophilia accepted. I guess he hasn't heard of the "legalize pedosexuality" movement.
I hope they win and make him bankrupt forever. This whole 'crisis actor' bullshit needs to end.
Alex Jones
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:38 pm
by Leisher
TheCatt wrote: This whole 'crisis actor' bullshit needs to end.
Couldn't agree more.
Alex Jones
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:02 pm
by GORDON
As long as they start by ending the practice of bussing in random people for union "strikes." It's all the same pool of deception and dishonesty.
Alex Jones
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:07 pm
by Leisher
GORDON wrote: As long as they start by ending the practice of bussing in random people for union "strikes." It's all the same pool of deception and dishonesty.
And town hall meetings, to be interviewed on the news, for protests, etc.
Seems he's being sued by Sandy Hook people, which someone explain to me that lawsuit, because as dumb as he is for ever denying it, is that really illegal?
Anyway, the discovery documents sent from his team to the plaintiffs contained child porn. The plantiffs turn it over to the FBI, and it turns out that Jones' team never even went through the discovery documents. FBI supposed has proven it come from the initial email. Jones is claiming "setup", plaintiffs are denying that, but admitting he didn't send the images.
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here thinking, "Does nobody care that someone had some child porn? Maybe we investigate that?"
Alex Jones
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:08 pm
by TheCatt
He's potentially liable for slander as he said the families were participating in the hoax.
Alex Jones
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:35 pm
by Troy
Yeah it’s a civil case. Need to prove by Preponderance of evidence that Jone’s actions were knowingly malicious and led to damages. Not a slam dunk by any means, but imagine the family witnesses crying on the stands describing being harassed for “lying” about their kids death and their role in it. A jury might toss them something.
The right defense lawyer might torpedo the fuck out the case too. If there were some bad documents in discovery (not the child porn) that show Alex’s intent and knowledge, better case.
Alex Jones
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:39 am
by Leisher
Troy wrote: Not a slam dunk by any means, but imagine the family witnesses crying on the stands describing being harassed for “lying” about their kids death and their role in it. A jury might toss them something.
I don't think emotions have a place in a courtroom when it comes to determining a judgment.
Alex Jones is pure scum for suggesting Sandy Hook was faked, and more so for profiting off of that lie. However, should the family get paid for that? I'm thinking no. Freedom of speech. He can say whatever he wants. I don't see lawsuits against flat Earthers, 9/11 deniers, holocaust deniers, antivax morons, and so on. Although, if this lawsuit wins, maybe people who have actually suffered and/or had loved ones die due to the antivax movement should sue?
That being said, if one of these parents were to assault Alex Jones, I wouldn't have the slightest issue with that. Hell, if I were a guard in the courtroom and a parent jumped him, it would take me an unusually long time to come to his rescue.
Alex Jones
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:43 am
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote: However, should the family get paid for that? I'm thinking no. Freedom of speech. He can say whatever he wants.
No, he cannot. Slander/libel law is well established. He made claims about persons.
Leisher wrote: I don't see lawsuits against flat Earthers, 9/11 deniers, holocaust deniers, antivax morons, and so on. Although, if this lawsuit wins, maybe people who have actually suffered and/or had loved ones die due to the antivax movement should sue?
Maybe on that last one. But the earlier ones aren't disparaging people directly.
Alex Jones
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:50 am
by Leisher
TheCatt wrote: No, he cannot. Slander/libel law is well established. He made claims about persons.
What are the claims made? Because...
TheCatt wrote: Maybe on that last one. But the earlier ones aren't disparaging people directly.
They absolutely do.
Have you never heard the theories about specific passengers on the 9/11 planes being actors and are now living wherever off the grid? How about the constant barrage of people claiming specific experts/politicians/officials are full of shit, lying, etc. about [insert conspiracy theory here]?
What exactly did he say about Sandy Hook that separates it from the billion other cases of people publicly slandering folks?
This is NOT a defense of him, I'm just genuinely curious.
Why is it ok for people to make "documentaries" countering the official story of 9/11 and make money off of that, but not ok for dipshit Jones to claim Sandy Hook was a hoax? What line did he cross that broke the law?
Wisconsin’s Dane County Circuit Judge Frank Remington issued a summary judgment on Monday against James Fetzer and Mike Palecek, co-editors of Nobody Died at Sandy Hook. The 400-page book falsely claims that the shooting, which resulted in 27 deaths at the school (including 20 children), was a FEMA drill promoting gun control and that Pozner fabricated the death certificate of his six-year-old son, Noah. Fabricating death certificates is a a crime in the state of Connecticut.
“If Mr. Fetzer wants to believe that Sandy Hook never happened and that we are all crisis actors, even that my son never existed, he has the right to be wrong,” Pozner told The Associated Press. “But he doesn’t have the right to broadcast those beliefs if they defame me or harass me. He doesn’t have the right to use my baby’s image or our name as a marketing ploy to raise donations or sell his products. He doesn’t have the right to convince others to hunt my family.”
Alex Jones
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:12 pm
by Leisher
Fetzer sounds like scum too.
I don't know. This is tough. Clearly from an emotional standpoint Fetzer/Jones are the scum of the Earth and deserve punishment.
However, if they genuinely believe this bullshit, is it still libel/slander?